Soldiers denied equipment

[Airscrew]

TC, the group I shot was when I was bore sighting the win mag (new scope), I used a bunch of small sand bags to support the rifle so it wouldnt move very much,  I doubt I could shoot that small of a group otherwise.
As far as when the ballistic tips were available I'm not 100% sure.   I bought that win mag about 1985 maybe 86, and bought those rounds ( I think it was Sierra) at the same time.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by tce2506


Hollow points are not used because the idea is not to kill one person, but wound one person. If you wound one, it takes two to carry him of the battlefield. If you kill him, the two leave him lay and shoot back.  

Bah, the two less solders to carry the wounded back is only temporary.
And wounded people often come back to fight again.
Death is permanent.

As a man once said.
Death can solve many problems.
No more man. No more problem

[mauser]

More reading material on Open Tip Match ammunition:
http://www.thegunzone.com/opentip-ammo.html

Btw, they are not the same as ballistic tips which look to be more for giving an expanding bullet (hollow point) better long range performance, while still providing a means for expansion.  

Conclusion.

The purpose of the 7.62mm "open-tip" MatchKing bullet is to provide maximum accuracy at very long range. Like most 5.56mm and 7.62mm military ball bullets, it may fragment upon striking its target, although the probability of its fragmentation is not as great as some military ball bullets currently in use by some nations. Bullet fragmentation is not a design characteristic, however, nor a purpose for use of the MatchKing by United State Army snipers. Wounds caused by MatchKing ammunition are similar to those caused by a fully jacketed military ball bullet, which is legal under the law of war, when compared at the same ranges and under the same conditions. The military necessity for its use-- its ability to offer maximum accuracy at very long ranges--is complemented by the high degree of discriminate fire it offers in the hands of a trained sniper. It not only meets, but exceeds, the law of war obligations of the United States for use in combat.

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As for ease of loading, Hornady has their new LEVERevolution rounds with a soft almost rubbery tip.  They are for use in lever action rifles which don't like pointy bullets (sharp object up against primer = bad), but give better ballistics than round or flat nose bullets.  

http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=198

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

The actual bullet in question is the Sierra Match King 168 grain HOLLOW POINT Boat Tail Spitzer. There is a clause, and there may be several clauses, in the Geneva Convention the forbids the use of hollow point bullets, or other bullets specifically designed to cause more grievous wounds. This includes "dum-dums" or explosive type bullets as well as hollow points.

However, the bullet in question is NOT a true hollow point, in that there is not an actual large cavity designed do hydraulicly expand. The reason for the small opening in the bullet is to allow it to be manufactured and loaded (Federal uses the bullet in question in their Match Grade .308 ammo, specified by the FBI for sniper use) without damaging the bullet and causing it to be inaccurate.

I keep a couple of boxes of those bullets, I use them in ALL my 30 caliber rifle loads. They are indeed the most accurate 30 caliber bullet available, by a large margin. They DO NOT expand like a true hollow point.

Several of the military competition shooting teams use the same bullet in their match ammo, whether it is loaded in 308 or in 300 Winchester Magnum cartridges.

I actually have some of the military sniper ammo for a 300 Winchester Magnum in my cabinet. It is not even as hot as my own loads, but it is quite accurate, though not as accurate in my rifle as my hotter loads.

There are plenty of other bullets that could be used if the intent was to use a bullet that caused more tissue damage. That bullet was chosen strictly for accuaracy, and anyone who has used it or knows weapons and ammo would know that. The advantage it has for using it to kill things is SHOT PLACEMENT. Few bullets are capable of 1/4 MOA accuracy, but that one is.

[Flit]

Anyone notice that the JAG officer was an obviously ignorant female ?

[Big G]

I don't think the receipient of a hollow point round, open top round or a full metal jacketed round, 175 grain, 105 grain etc would tell the difference....