They went to Syria

[uberhun]

All the WMDS are sitting in shipping containers in our ports ready  to be activated by Alqida sleeper agents disguised as Mexican illegal immigrants.

[Eagler]

!!!!!!

heck i think even if we found wmd's the left would be crying about something else in Iraq and how we coulda shoulda did it all any other way than the way Bush and his admin have gone with this war..

all they want is their power back, they give a rats arse about nothing else .. now they just need to filibuster Alito so we can nuke em on Weds

[capt. apathy]

Originally posted by CMC Airboss
 At the very least, it seems plausible and the flights actually occured.

while it could be plausible, it seems much more likely that Bush is a liar and a fat-mouth.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
while it could be plausible, it seems much more likely that Bush is a liar and a fat-mouth.

Here we go again.

In one hand we have a sound, plausable, logical theory.

In the other we have a conspiracy theory about a "president snowing his entire administration and telling lies to his nation (not to mention brainwashing both republicans and democrats to say the very same lie for the last 10 or so years and getting the previous administration to write into US law in 1998 the very thing that he set out to do) to go to war to help his oil buddies and Cheny's Haliburton stock all the while finishing the job that his daddy started.


hmmmmm

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by T0J0
Some are just as loose with the facts as those who they complain about! What were those 3 lab trucks for they found, a means to distribute UN food for popsickles?

What the hell?  I can't believe that years after the two (not three) supposed "mobile biological weapons labs" proved to be labs that produce hydrogen for weather balloons used to help artillery guidence, and after it has been explained so often on this bbs, people are still ignorant of that fact.

The UN knew that WMD did in fact exist,

Nope, the UN postulated that they existed.  They didn't know if fact, hence the desire to send in inspectors to find out.

One fact Liberals seem to easily dismiss is that if the UN oil for Food program had been working like it had been designed and initially set up to work we shouldn't have had to invade in the first place

How do you figure?

the French who  looked the other way as antitank weapons with serial numbers dated around a year were bought and moved into Iraq to kill our troops.

What the hell?  I can't believe that years after the 4 supposed "recently produced, French, anti-tank missiles" proved to be Roland anti-aircraft (not anti-tank) missiles made in the earily 80's and were in fact misidentified by the Polish soldiers who found them, and after it has been explained so often on this bbs, people are still ignorant of that fact.

 

The Left decided early on that the UN is the proper place to settle international conflict,

Well...yeah, what were those stupid bastard pinkos Roosevelt and Churchill thinking?

Its easier to believe that Bush Lied then it is a murderous Dictator moved Chemical weapons to a known terrorist sponsering country,

I don't know if it's easier to believe it.  You seem to believe the opposite quite readily with so very little evidence to support that position.  Then again you seem to find it easy to believe a whole lot of things that has been demostrated to be wrong.

I see you find it also easy to rebut arguements that aren't being made.  You make it seem that someone can only ascribe to one of two positions.  Either Bush lied about the exist about WMD being in Iraq, or that they must be in Syria.  But that's a false delema, there are plenty other posibilities.  But don't let that distract you from your tunnel vision view of the issue.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Here we go again.

In one hand we have a sound, plausable, logical theory.


In the other we have a conspiracy theory about a "president snowing his entire administration and telling lies to his nation (not to mention brainwashing both republicans and democrats to say the very same lie for the last 10 or so years and getting the previous administration to write into US law in 1998 the very thing that he set out to do) to go to war to help his oil buddies and Cheny's Haliburton stock all the while finishing the job that his daddy started.


hmmmmm

Even if Bush didn't lie, it doesn't follow that therefore the WMD went to Syria.  As far as the plausible theory is concerned, compare it to the theory that Iraq destroyed.  Compare the evidence of the testomy of Sada, against the testomy of hundreds of people interviewed, and all the other evidence gathered by the CIA task force that, shortly after the invasion was completed, was charged with investigating Iraq WMD capabilities after

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Even if Bush didn't lie, it doesn't follow that therefore the WMD went to Syria.  As far as the plausible theory is concerned, compare it to the theory that Iraq destroyed.  Compare the evidence of the testomy of Sada, against the testomy of hundreds of people interviewed, and all the other evidence gathered by the CIA task force that, shortly after the invasion was completed, was charged with investigating Iraq WMD capabilities after

It's still a sound theory that the left CHOOSES to completly ignore.  Intel anylists still have literally TONS of papers that are being translated and gone over that they havn't processsed yet.  

It seems plausible that these flights happed
It seems plausible that Iraq destroyed their weapons

Either way there's no hard evidence that either of those two actually happened.  But they do seem to hold more water then the "Bush lied" rhetoric that gets thrown out there constantly.  Metric tons of anthrax and nerve gas just don't dissapear.

addendum to the document:

The CIA’s chief weapons inspector said he cannot rule out the possibility that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were secretly shipped to Syria before the March 2003 invasion, citing “sufficiently credible” evidence that WMDs may have been moved there.

Inspector Charles Duelfer, who heads the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), made the findings in an addendum to his final report filed last year. He said the search for WMD in Iraq—the main reason President Bush went to war to oust Saddam Hussein—has been exhausted without finding such weapons. Iraq had stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s.

But on the question of Syria, Mr. Duelfer did not close the books. “ISG was unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war,” Mr. Duelfer said in a report posted on the CIA’s Web site Monday night.

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by T0J0
We knew, Clinton knew, The UN knew that WMD did in fact exist

well, which is it? did bush lie about WMD or did he lie about them NOT having WMD?

CNN ran newscasts in which George, Connie, Dick and Colin all said that the WMD were destroyed and that his ability to replenish this arsenal was impossible. This set of news clips are from 2000-2001. (they are re-released in F 9/11 movie)
Then magically, within 12 months approximately, they have all the WMD capable of being launched within a 45 minute window.

Was WMD the first reason to go to war or was is the purchase of enriched uranium from Niger? (later proven to be fraudulent) or was it ties to al Qaeda? (also a lie)

You guys would have better luck helping OJ find the real killers!

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by xrtoronto
well, which is it? did bush lie about WMD or did he lie about them NOT having WMD?

CNN ran newscasts in which George, Connie, Dick and Colin all said that the WMD were destroyed and that his ability to replenish this arsenal was impossible. This set of news clips are from 2000-2001. (they are re-released in F 9/11 movie)
Then magically, within 12 months approximately, they have all the WMD capable of being launched within a 45 minute window.

Was WMD the first reason to go to war or was is the purchase of enriched uranium from Niger? (later proven to be fraudulent) or was it ties to al Qaeda? (also a lie)

You guys would have better luck helping OJ find the real killers!

Wow don't let facts get in your way or anything.  WMDs were the selling point, the main reason was to enact regiem change in Iraq wich has been US foriegn policy since 1998......yup that's right it's been US foreign policy to enact regeim change in Iraq since 1998.

another part of the WMD sell point was the niger yellow cake.  The Iraqis did in fact inquire about purchasing some, but never did.....hardly fraudulent.

as far as using the word "Lie"  you are going to wear it out by placing it were it doesn't belong.  A statment based on facts is not a lie if the facts turn out to be incorrect.

Oh and that wasn't a terrorist training camp that our troops found north of Baghdad.....it was Disneyland Iraq.

[xrtoronto]

get your facts correct gun:

"The term Yellowcake Forgery refers to falsified documents which appeared to depict an attempt by Iraq's Saddam Hussein regime to purchase yellowcake uranium from the country of Niger, in defiance of United Nations sanctions."

source

ps: you do understand what 'falsified documents' means do you?


I really think OJ would appreciate your help though.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by xrtoronto
get your facts correct gun:

"The term Yellowcake Forgery refers to falsified documents which appeared to depict an attempt by Iraq's Saddam Hussein regime to purchase yellowcake uranium from the country of Niger, in defiance of United Nations sanctions."

source

ps: you do understand what 'falsified documents' means do you?


I really think OJ would appreciate your help though.

tsk tsk tsk

The Senate report said Wilson brought back denials of any Niger-Iraq uranium sale, and argued that such a sale wasn't likely to happen. But the Intelligence Committee report also reveals that Wilson brought back something else as well -- evidence that Iraq may well have wanted to buy uranium.
Wilson reported that he had met with Niger's former Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki, who said that in June 1999 he was asked to meet with a delegation from Iraq to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between the two countries.

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html



either way this is getting away from the topic at hand.  Of course you could just put your head in the ground and ignore it and live in your BDS delusional world

[Suave]

I don't think there were wmd at the time. And I don't think they went to Syria. There would've been wmd again had we left Saddam alone. We needed to get busy leaving him alone or get busy getting rid of him. We were in the middle of the road for too many years being punked by him.

Continious inspections with an armored division in his backyard pissing off the saudis untill his son's sons died wasn't the solution.

We shouldv'e gotten rid of him in '91. Even the Germans and French would've happily went along on that ride, as it would've been politically fashionable at the time.

One major beef that the saudis of Bin Laden's ilk had with the US was that we did not eliminate Saddam. Instead of getting rid of one, at least in their view, we became the facilitators, and presevers of two tyrannical regimes, Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

Here is an interview of a general of the Republican Guard, a man who had been in war when Iraq did deploy WMD. I think his assesment of the WMD issue is probably correct.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/invasion/interviews/raad.html

[Gunslinger]

Suave,

The problem I have is he still doesn't explain what happened to them.  The inspectors did not find any evidence that they were destroyed or being destroyed but just the opposite.  Inspectors walking in the front door, documents and cargo going out the back.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Can what that general said be validated?
-SW

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Can what that general said be validated?
-SW

He is going to address the senate next week.  What he has to say at least needs to be investigated.