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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2006, 03:38:16 PM »
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Anyways. I doubt the "proven system failiure" reason is why people get so upset by a shuttle blowing up. ;)

They were celebrities and that is why people care so much.


Only after the loss of the shuttle. How many knew of them when their training started ?

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« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2006, 03:42:10 PM »
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Only after the loss of the shuttle. How many knew of them when their training started ?


I didnt know any of them, and still cant name one. Same goes for the last mission that went bad...or the one that went good.

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« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2006, 03:46:28 PM »
i can see where nilsen is coming from, my last post here was sort of getting at that point too, all be it in a total respectfully and remorsefull manner.







I would rather go BOOM in a spacecraft *for the chance* of going up into space than end up retiring in a bungalow and dying wondering WTF i spent 80% of my life working a crappy job for.




my dream is to die painfully and unexpectedly. A Warriors death fitting for a Clan Cameron Warrior. yes my blood is strongly Scottish, with the rest being Irish. I am a warrior born again into a stupid health and saftey regulations world.



eaten by a shark, mauled by a bear fighting for my life with a hunting knife for a few seconds of that perfect feeling.... I AM ALIVE!!!


these 7 people would have felt more alive in the split second of being blown up than most of us ever feel.



have you ever been suddenly in a situation you didnt forsee, an armed mugging, a wild animal attack, a hurricane, an earthquake?? nothing can prepare you, or simulate the rush of endorphins and the brains sudded thoughts and reactions.

I want to die as the rest of the beasts do, chitting my pants and tuly knowing that up till this moment i was in denial of what the meaning of life is.



the meaning of life, is death.

nothing else matters.
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« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2006, 03:51:47 PM »
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my dream is to die painfully and unexpectedly


I thought about being blown up at ground zero of a nuclear blast! Now that is one way to go.

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« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2006, 03:54:18 PM »
oh crap... *WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMPH!*
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« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2006, 04:09:54 PM »
I wanna die in a fistfight with a HUGE icebear on live-tv.

Chuck Norris can eat my shorts!

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« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2006, 04:16:22 PM »
There’s relative proof pointing to the initial explosion did not kill them right away. The photos of the crew compartment show it intact, this means they could have been alive while it plummeted towards the ocean.

The cause of death of the Challenger astronauts cannot be positively determined;

The forces to which the crew were exposed during orbiter breakup were probably not sufficient to cause death or serious injury; and

The crew possibly, but not certainly, lost consciousness in the seconds following orbiter breakup due to in-flight loss of crew module pressure."
http://www.space-shuttle.com/challenger1.htm
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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2006, 04:17:34 PM »
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I thought about being blown up at ground zero of a nuclear blast! Now that is one way to go.


Yeh WHAT RUSH:O

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« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2006, 04:21:33 PM »
BTW,  they didn't die right away.

The O-ring failed, a jet sawed away at the tank, it failed structurally, and the orbiter tilted up.  They probably felt a light thump as the shuttle broke free, then a second later, got thrown sideways against their seatbelts.  Around them, the shuttle began to break up, and a few seconds later, the cabin depressurized as the crew area was ripped free of the orbiter.  You can see it in the film as it breaks free of the stack.

Now, trapped in their seats and tumbling out of control, they're probably screaming.  As the cabin rotates, they see the ocean down below alternating with the sun shining into the now freezing cold cabin, then maybe they catch a glimpse of the growing fire/steamball behind them from the hydrogen and oxygen reacting.

At this point, they're being beaten black and blue by the shifting G forces of the spinning crew module, and the lack of air means they're gasping for breath to scream with.  The spinning is inducing nauesea, and a few of the crew members are probably throwing up or dry heaving in their last moments of life, consumed by panic and knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're about to die.

Things begin to fade our as hypoxia starts to set in, but a minute later, the cabin descends far enough that they start to come back, never fully unconscious.  At this point, the cabin is in a lazy spiral as it falls, wires hanging out and pieces of metal and plastic flapping.  The crew looks helplessly at each other, and maybe tries shouting encouragement, but they all know that the end is coming near.  Out the windows or ripped open holes in the cabin they can see the ocean getting closer and closer.  At this point maybe some of them are praying, we'll never know because power to the recorders was cut when the cabin tore loose.  The roar of the wind in the cabin grows louder and louder, and they can probably hear each other screaming as the cabin passes through a thousand feet.  Seconds from impact, they can see the choppy waves below them, for some of the crew, it's the last thing they see.  For others, maybe it's the back of the seat in front of them, or a patch of the ubiquitous blue velcro that's on every panel.  Time for one final scream of terror befor-
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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2006, 04:35:01 PM »
RADM Richard H. Truly

Associate Administrator for Space Flight

NASA Headquarters

Code M

Washington, DC 20546

Dear Admiral Truly:

The search for wreckage of the Challenger crew cabin has been completed. A team of engineers and scientists has analyzed the wreckage and all other available evidence in an attempt to determine the cause of death of the Challenger crew. This letter is to report to you on the results of this effort. The findings are inconclusive. The impact of the crew compartment with the ocean surface was so violent that evidence of damage occurring in the seconds which followed the explosion was masked. Our final conclusions are:

the cause of death of the Challenger astronauts cannot be positively determined;
the forces to which the crew were exposed during Orbiter breakup were probably not sufficient to cause death or serious injury; and
the crew possibly, but not certainly, lost consciousness in the seconds following Orbiter breakup due to in-flight loss of crew module pressure.
Our inspection and analyses revealed certain facts which support the above conclusions, and these are related below: The forces on the Orbiter at breakup were probably too low to cause death or serious injury to the crew but were sufficient to separate the crew compartment from the forward fuselage, cargo bay, nose cone, and forward reaction control compartment. The forces applied to the Orbiter to cause such destruction clearly exceed its design limits. The data available to estimate the magnitude and direction of these forces included ground photographs and measurements from onboard accelerometers, which were lost two-tenths of a second after vehicle breakup.

Two independent assessments of these data produced very similar estimates. The largest acceleration pulse occurred as the Orbiter forward fuselage separated and was rapidly pushed away from the external tank. It then pitched nose-down and was decelerated rapidly by aerodynamic forces. There are uncertainties in our analysis; the actual breakup is not visible on photographs because the Orbiter was hidden by the gaseous cloud surrounding the external tank. The range of most probable maximum accelerations is from 12 to 20 G's in the vertical axis. These accelerations were quite brief. In two seconds, they were below four G's; in less than ten seconds, the crew compartment was essentially in free fall. Medical analysis indicates that these accelerations are survivable, and that the probability of major injury to crew members is low.

After vehicle breakup, the crew compartment continued its upward trajectory, peaking at an altitude of 65,000 feet approximately 25 seconds after breakup. It then descended striking the ocean surface about two minutes and forty-five seconds after breakup at a velocity of about 207 miles per hour. The forces imposed by this impact approximated 200 G's, far in excess of the structural limits of the crew compartment or crew survivability levels.

The separation of the crew compartment deprived the crew of Orbiter-supplied oxygen, except for a few seconds supply in the lines. Each crew member's helmet was also connected to a personal egress air pack (PEAP) containing an emergency supply of breathing air (not oxygen) for ground egress emergencies, which must be manually activated to be available. Four PEAP's were recovered, and there is evidence that three had been activated. The nonactivated PEAP was identified as the Commander's, one of the others as the Pilot's, and the remaining ones could not be associated with any crew member. The evidence indicates that the PEAP's were not activated due to water impact.

It is possible, but not certain, that the crew lost consciousness due to an in-flight loss of crew module pressure. Data to support this is:

The accident happened at 48,000 feet, and the crew cabin was at that altitude or higher for almost a minute. At that altitude, without an oxygen supply, loss of cabin pressure would have caused rapid loss of consciousness and it would not have been regained before water impact.
PEAP activation could have been an instinctive response to unexpected loss of cabin pressure.
If a leak developed in the crew compartment as a result of structural damage during or after breakup (even if the PEAP's had been activated), the breathing air available would not have prevented rapid loss of consciousness.
The crew seats and restraint harnesses showed patterns of failure which demonstrates that all the seats were in place and occupied at water impact with all harnesses locked. This would likely be the case had rapid loss of consciousness occurred, but it does not constitute proof.
Much of our effort was expended attempting to determine whether a loss of cabin pressure occurred. We examined the wreckage carefully, including the crew module attach points to the fuselage, the crew seats, the pressure shell, the flight deck and middeck floors, and feedthroughs for electrical and plumbing connections. The windows were examined and fragments of glass analyzed chemically and microscopically. Some items of equipment stowed in lockers showed damage that might have occurred due to decompression; we experimentally decompressed similar items without conclusive results.

Impact damage to the windows was so extreme that the presence or absence of in-flight breakage could not be determined. The estimated breakup forces would not in themselves have broken the windows. A broken window due to flying debris remains a possibility; there was a piece of debris imbedded in the frame between two of the forward windows. We could not positively identify the origin of the debris or establish whether the event occurred in flight or at water impact. The same statement is true of the other crew compartment structure. Impact damage was so severe that no positive evidence for or against in-flight pressure loss could be found.

Finally, the skilled and dedicated efforts of the team from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, and their expert

consultants, could not determine whether in-flight lack of oxygen occurred, nor could they determine the cause of death.

/signed/

Joseph P. Kerwin

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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2006, 05:24:56 PM »
chairboy that was fantastic! and horrific....


see, if this narative is true, they died with more of a feeling of being ALIVE than any of us are likely to feel in our lives.


no pain whatsoever, complete nauesea, endorphin rushes like nothing imaginable, they wouldnt feel the cold, or the G-forces. they would sense it was happening, but not feel it like if you cut your skin.

anyone here ever broken an arm or a leg really badly? it really honestly doesnt hurt for the first hour, you just know there is something really badly wrong with it.

i've broken my neck, only a hairline fracture and compressed verts, that really REALLY frikken hurt from the start. a minor fracture.


i've snapped my wrist and elbow so bad that my arm was totaly dead and twisted and bent the wrong way. major multiple fractures, it really didnt hurt, but the messages to my brain told me it was seriously damaged, and that made me naueseuos to the point of almost throwing up. it made me feel alive, and it made me feel totaly helpless, and oh such regret.







these poor brave humans would have felt feeling undesrcibable even by chairboy's fantastic imagination and narative.



but the feeling of helplessness and giving in to the force of creation that created them would have been like the most incredible dream ever.










we should comemorate thier deaths!



we should salute them, and be jealous of them for experiencing the ultimate of life's gifts.


uncontrolable, helpless, totaly unsalvagable death.
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« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2006, 05:38:17 PM »
Smashed my face and teeth when crashing my peddal bike. Truly did not hurt at all until i went to bed and all the adrenaline was gone. At first I was just high  on adrenaline and abit scared cause i could almost not see on my left eye and i could feel that i had "chipped" afew teeth. I could feel the blood running from my face and when i saw my face in the mirror it was bad (worse than usual i mean). My Gf almost fainted when she opened the door cause i rode the bike all the way home. i could also see the looks on peoples faces when i went by on my way home.

Only when I had cleaned up and gone to bed and i started to really calm down and think about what could happen the pain came. I only have a few small scarrs today, but ill never forget how the pain was not there at all for the first few hours. Amazing really.

I did not even notice that the skin on my left palm was "gone" until I had a hot shower the next morning. THAT hurt

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« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2006, 06:32:20 PM »
i was at an outdoor swimming pool once years and years ago.  some girl dived in at the shallow end and smashed her face and teeth in real bad.


she came back up to the surface with a stupid grin on her face and the look of someone who had done something foolish, but not serious.  her head was cut open and her mouth was a total mess.   she didnt even realise.


other people saw her, some screamed and some rushed to her aid.   confused at their reactions she put her hand to her face and came away with it covered in blood.


then she started screaming, a good 10 seconds after the damage had been done.
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