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Offline B@tfinkV

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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2006, 03:10:39 PM »
the nonsense i refer to is nothing to do with the moat. if you reread the post, its clear that, despite certain disapointments, i was as impressed and ammused by it as anyone.


to those who did consider me as friends i have never had a problem. some never did. mores the pity, they might be missing out :D




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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2006, 05:33:25 PM »
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Ultimately the game is about fun.  This is the first time this setup has been run.  The whole idea was to create the dissimilar matchups that actually occured IRL - if it stops being fun and people stop playing it, then changes will be made to the setup.  And I'm sure something completely different will get run after this month as we'll all need a break from Spits and 109s and 190s. :)
Right. If you don't have fun in the AvA during "Sable's RPS" ;), try the MA or some of the special events that are run weekly.

However, after the ETO-RPS, I'll guess the setup will have 109's and 190's - but against La-5's and Yak's and the Lend-lease planes - IF we'll try the new terrain by Kanttori & BlauK (classic Fin/Rus setup but with a whole new map!). But the next setup hasn't been decided yet. :)

And while I'm replying here in this thread: the land grab is enabled, but there are only M3's available, and then there's the channel... The map will change to Rhine in the last half of 1944, I hope that the M3's will be disabled at that time..

I'm actually looking forward to when the Allies have some of the better planes (I've flown both sides now, but usually the Axis - since they've had the lower numbers and that's where my friends&/squadmates fly). I've learned more during the last 10 days in the AvA than I have during the last 2 years in MA... Which is a merit to all the pilots in the AvA. :)
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« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2006, 01:41:54 AM »
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Name change had nothing to do with why there are more people there and everything to do with RPS.  RPS is why I am there.  The playing field is a bit more level.  I am curious to see what happens at the end, when it goes back to most planes available. I'm not trying to start a fight with ya bat, but I don't agree with this one either.



I cant see the AvA getting away from the RPS. Wouldnt make any sense.


The "old CT" was great. The old AH 1 CT. The AH2 CT was a dead horse that wouldnt respond to the countless beatings we gave it.

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« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2006, 09:44:48 AM »
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The AH2 CT was a dead horse that wouldnt respond to the countless beatings we gave it.


Whatever it was that made more people come in and play  is not the point.

More people are playing in the CT so lets keep them in there.

I am all for the new ways so let's keep up the good work and maybe if it is at all possible can we get the Winter Fin-Rus map for a setup once.

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« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2006, 10:10:41 AM »
I just have to agree. The AvA is fantastic.

The fights are great. Good sportmanship. Fantatic plane matchups. Its a whole different ball game to fight axies vs allies then to fight a enemy that files the same planes as you and your wingman.

Ofcourse the Axies BnZ as they should, thats their advantage. But the awsome thing is that they aint timid. They are there to fight.

Whats great with the BoB map is that it doesnt need high number of players to generate good fights. As long as there is 10 people online there are good fights there.

For me when I feel like dogfighting there is now only one arena and thats the AvA. When I feel like Jaboing and taking bases I go to the MA, I do enjoy that as well.

Two distinctivly different experiences which is great as it gives AH much more veriaty.

WTG!!!

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« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2006, 11:15:02 AM »
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I just have to agree. The AvA is fantastic.

The fights are great. Good sportmanship. Fantatic plane matchups. Its a whole different ball game to fight axies vs allies then to fight a enemy that files the same planes as you and your wingman.

Ofcourse the Axies BnZ as they should, thats their advantage. But the awsome thing is that they aint timid. They are there to fight.

Whats great with the BoB map is that it doesnt need high number of players to generate good fights. As long as there is 10 people online there are good fights there.

For me when I feel like dogfighting there is now only one arena and thats the AvA. When I feel like Jaboing and taking bases I go to the MA, I do enjoy that as well.

Two distinctivly different experiences which is great as it gives AH much more veriaty.

WTG!!!

Tex


Yep most that fly in the AvA are there to fight.  The game the game scorehorror types are still over in the MA.

And the whiner tend to remain in the MA and the super trash talkers are elsewhere as well.

It's NICE!!!!
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2006, 04:45:39 AM »
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I'm only just posting here, partly because I was away when this thread was going on.

Yep, I am on record as saying that RPS would never happen in AH. Clearly I was wrong, but I've never been so delighted to be wrong! I owe hitech a lunch, but that would be difficult to organise (a long way for him to come) so I might just have to restart my account instead! What sort of lunch can be had for $14.95 in Grapevine?!


How's this new arena working out? It sounds like it would appeal to me, as indeed the CT did, before it became a mini MA. But an RPS would not appeal to Nopoop, and making an arena which more closely resembles the real WW2 would not appeal to Lazs, so I don't suppose those guys will be around....

...but I can see why. Nopoop, Lazs and myself were old WarBirds veterans. When the Axis v Allies thing was tried out there, nearly everyone thought it was going to be the best thing since sliced bread, myself included. It was, after all, the only time the entire subscribership migrated away from the MA, which itself became obsolete, despite various player initiatives to have it reinstated when the full extent of Axis v Allies suckage was realised, months later. But who would have thought that it would be a leading factor in the demise of the game? It wasn't the axis v. allies setup that sucked so much as the plane match ups. As in AH, not every plane type built and flown in WW2 was modelled in WB, so it was difficult to provide a balanced plane set. IIRC, for this reason some planes were introduced to the RPS ahead of their actual deployment in the WW2 chronology. In the early days, the 190A4 would appear on Day4 of a 21 day cycle. Good news for me, as I always sucked at TnB (I took a WB holiday on Days1-3  LOL), besides which the amount of ammo lost to netlag in WB would be proportional to the square of your geographical distance from the server. :mad: I needed manly cannon rounds! :) Or .50 cals at least...

Well then some wise arse came along and pointed out that the sequence of plane deployments was not historically accurate, and so this had to change. They were hell bent on realism, to the extent that some people forgot it was a game, and then it was no fun at all. The 190A4 no longer appeared on Day4 but came much later. At any one time in the RPS, one side would always have the upper hand, or the avion du jour as we knew it in Europe. The Americans knew it as an aircraft's day in the sun.

And this led to the other major problem with an RPS: Side switching. As soon as the axis had got their avion du jour, a whole swathe of scorepotatos would switch to that side so they could have the best plane. As soon as that plane got trumped by a new allied wonderplane, they'd all switch back.  I campaigned vociferously for the sides to be locked at the start of a tour, but nothing happened until much later, when a small concession was made - the minimum time between side switches went from 15 mins to 1 hour.

There was a brief period of balance (2 days) when the Spit IX came out to rival the 190A4, but then it was allies all the way. By the end of the war, the allies had jabo bombers which, having released their bombs, became excellent fighters - F6F, F4U - and which could operate from the CV with 2x1000lb bombs. The best CV based jabo the axis had was the zeke, with a 50kg bomb.

So guess what happened? Time after time, the axis would get trounced in the last days of the tour. It just wasn't funny. The allies had heavy bombers that could operate at 25K (B17, B24); the axis had the ju88 which would wheeze and wallow at 12K, plus a few jap bombers with an unimpressive payload. One squad night, I flew an easymode™ P51D and scored 27 kills without even being pinged once - it really was that easy.



Will this new arena hold the interest of its user base? There is no doubt in my mind that the MAsses will want the best/easiest/fastest planes all the time, which is why the P51/La7/Spit usage was out of all proportion to the rest of the planeset when I was around. Will the sides be locked? If not, expect to see major side switching as each new plane comes out - unless matching planes are released into the RPS on the same day, which is not how it was in WW2, of course.

I'd like to try this out, and you'll all have fun, whupping my arse! But not just yet. For one thing, I want to give it a few weeks to see if its popularity holds. If not, then it would be toodle pip, again. I'm afraid I have no interest in what the MA had become last time I was there, c08/2004.

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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2006, 04:57:30 AM »
Yup I love it aswell! As do my brother!

Like Wrag said, most super trash talkers stay in the MA which makes the AvA even better. Question is for how long they will stay out?
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