Author Topic: No Tracer option (Read 1050 times)

Mugzeee · « **on:** February 01, 2006, 11:52:00 AM »

How common was it for WWII fighters to loadout without tracer rounds?

Iceman24 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2006, 11:55:11 AM »

not sure if they did or not, or how usual it was, I do know that they only put a tracer round about every 10 rounds or so, ( not exactly sure on 10 but it's more spacing then we have in the game ) I think AH2 uses 1 tracer every 2-3 rounds or so

ICU2 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 01, 2006, 12:27:53 PM »

From what I have read it was not common to go without tracers. However, I did read about a pilot in the Pacific theatre that didn't use them as he found the zero would turn once they saw the tracers so removing them made the nme pilot think you were shooting off.

Cheers,

ICU2

Golfer · « **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2006, 02:05:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Iceman24
not sure if they did or not, or how usual it was, I do know that they only put a tracer round about every 10 rounds or so, ( not exactly sure on 10 but it's more spacing then we have in the game ) I think AH2 uses 1 tracer every 2-3 rounds or so

AH uses the standard 1 every 5 rounds.

slimey_J · « **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2006, 02:06:14 PM »

There's a quote from a WWII pilot in Shaw's book that says something to the effect of "We were ordered to remove all tracer ammo and our results were amazing." So it would seem that at least some squadrons went without tracer ammo. Also, I recall reading that some aircraft would only put tracer rounds in the last 10 percent of their ammo - so that they would know when they were almost out... a practice that was stopped once the enemy figured out what it meant.

Bodhi · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2006, 03:23:34 PM »

Standard ammo load was a tracer every 5th round.

That changed in later war where they almost always fired API which negated the need for the tracer.

I believe standard load out early war was AP AP Incd Incd Tracer.

I have talked to several pilots though that have said they "convinced" there armourer to remove the tracers as the tracers gave them away if they missed. It's all moot anyways though if the enemy sees the muzzle flashes, but for sneaking up, a miss meant evasion by the tracers alert.

Delirium · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2006, 04:52:59 PM »

From what I read, tracers also have a different weight and ballistics when compared the the AP or Incd round. If you relied on tracers to find your target (unless it was close range) you'd still miss with the rounds that caused the real damage.

This is one thing AH models real well... remove tracers, after a 2 week adjustment period you'll have dramtic, positive results.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2006, 05:08:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Delirium
From what I read, tracers also have a different weight and ballistics when compared the the AP or Incd round. If you relied on tracers to find your target (unless it was close range) you'd still miss with the rounds that caused the real damage.

This is one thing AH models real well... remove tracers, after a 2 week adjustment period you'll have dramtic, positive results.

Could it be that some of the positive result is in part due the the fact that we get a few more moments of firing time, before the bandit gets more agressively evasive?

Aubrey · « **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2006, 05:11:57 PM »

Del,

The tracers we use today infantry weapons are real rounds, they just have a coating on them that causes them to "glow" Glow is the only word I can comeup with. Were WW2 rounds different? Tracers are great for "walking your fire" and incidently letting stupid guys like me see that I was going to run into the path of fire during a live fire exercise.

I do not use tracers to aim , I like they way they look so I keep em on, and they get guys in LaLas to turn when they are running 800 out from me:D

APDrone · « **Reply #9 on:** February 01, 2006, 06:14:48 PM »

More info..

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94383&highlight=lynch

Spatula · « **Reply #10 on:** February 01, 2006, 06:47:08 PM »

Excuse my ignorance here, or if this has been answered somewhere else. But, does an Aces High virtual tracer-round do damage when it strikes a virtual plane. Eg - do all rounds fired (from the same gun/type) do the same damage even if it was a tracer, =OR= does an AH virtual tracer not much appreaciable damage???

So if it didnt have the samer damage factor (Df), and if as people point out 1 in 5 rounds are tracers, is your bullet-stream on average 20% less effective than with the tracer rounds turned off??

Maybe this accounts for part of the improvement people see in AH when they select that option?

jaxxo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2006, 07:03:09 PM »

excellent thread! i look forward to further info...as for ah with every angle covered in viewpoint results are mixed..ive had equal success with them on or off depending on the plane and how i choose to fly..im a terrible shot though as i am a codger who refuses to wear glasses...

Kurt · « **Reply #12 on:** February 01, 2006, 07:09:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
the tracers gave them away if they missed.

Thats why I don't use them. The main reason anyhow.

I've also noticed that since I stopped loading tracers my hit percentage has gone from around 6% up to about 10%...

When I load tracer because I'm filming for a video or something my hit numbers go right back down to 6% again....

It takes some getting used to, but I'll never go back to tracers (except for films, so you can see when I'm shooting)

SkyLab · « **Reply #13 on:** February 01, 2006, 07:37:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Could it be that some of the positive result is in part due the the fact that we get a few more moments of firing time, before the bandit gets more agressively evasive?

Good point Mugzee.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2006, 03:09:05 AM »

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Originally posted by ICU2
From what I have read it was not common to go without tracers. However, I did read about a pilot in the Pacific theatre that didn't use them as he found the zero would turn once they saw the tracers so removing them made the nme pilot think you were shooting off.

Cheers,

ICU2

good post, but im pretty sure they *were* shooting off target with tracers or not if the enemy pilot didnt feel the hits on the a/c.

do you mean the enemy pilot would not be laerted when you were shooting off but coming quite close to hitting?