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Offline wrag

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« on: February 05, 2006, 08:18:37 AM »
IMHO the duty to retreat has never been right or correct!  Anytime anywhere.

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/vassilaros/s_420318.html

As the author puts it, when did we become such prey in our own homes?

IMHO if a person comes after me with criminal intent to do harm anytime anywhere you that person should beware.  From that point on I should be totally free to react to such an assualt with deadly force.  I should NOT have to face legal action from anyone for any reason in such a case.

Granted I should need to prove such was the case.

I guess my point is, I have NO desire to harm anyone.  I and everyone else that goes about their daily existance in a peacable manner, being respectful and considerate of the rights of others, should NOT have to cower in fear anytime anywhere from those people that are intent on criminal violence against us.

Not talkin Dodge City or code of the west here.   All societies basically seek a peacefull existance do they not?

"An armed society is a polite society." ~~ Robert A. Heinlein

"Every 13 seconds in America someone uses a gun to stop a crime." ~~ Sen. Larry Craig

"We Deserve What We Tolerate." - Mike Rothenberg, aka, Mike Randall

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." --The Dalai Lama, (May 15, 2001)

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater … confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).
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It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2006, 08:41:47 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2006, 08:47:31 AM »
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Hmmm........

Well just posting an article I read and stating my opinion sooooo..........
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It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2006, 08:56:02 AM »
the new law here in florida has not produced the bedlam that the handwringing freedom hating limpwristed liberals proclaimed it would.  quite the contrary we are seeing very a polite society in traffic and I suspect that the statisticians will soon report a further decrease in street crime.  gone are the strongarmed robbers and carjackers, as are weapons in the hands of criminals.  the combination of strictly enforced laws punishing the use of firearms during the commission of felonies coupled with the new laws upholding common sense self defense action has curbed the criminal element significantly.  from what I understand many of the jamaican thug/gangers here are now taking up residence in the UK.  who'd a thunk it?  what I have noticed is an increased enrollment of very rough looking gang type tattooed individuals in local dojos which does concern me to an extent.  I hope that the philiosophies taught at most dojos will be a catalyst for a change in the attitudes of some of these young men.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2006, 09:08:05 AM »
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the new law here in florida has not produced the bedlam that the handwringing freedom hating limpwristed liberals proclaimed it would.  quite the contrary we are seeing very a polite society in traffic and I suspect that the statisticians will soon report a further decrease in street crime.  gone are the strongarmed robbers and carjackers, as are weapons in the hands of criminals.  the combination of strictly enforced laws punishing the use of firearms during the commission of felonies coupled with the new laws upholding common sense self defense action has curbed the criminal element significantly.  from what I understand many of the jamaican thug/gangers here are now taking up residence in the UK.  who'd a thunk it?  what I have noticed is an increased enrollment of very rough looking gang type tattooed individuals in local dojos which does concern me to an extent.  I hope that the philiosophies taught at most dojos will be a catalyst for a change in the attitudes of some of these young men.


To me that makes perfect sense!

Someone else a very long time ago said it...........

"The generality of men are naturally apt to be swayed by fear rather than  reverence, and to refrain from evil rather because of the punishment that it brings than because of its own foulness."
Aristotle (384-322 bc)
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2006, 09:56:42 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2006, 10:18:00 AM »
No ... your first duty is to your country, not to yourself. (Just a side note).
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2006, 11:07:30 AM »
Great article.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 11:16:33 AM »
My first duty would be to my country in a Communist society.  But this ain't the soviet union.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2006, 11:25:30 AM »
To my knowledge Arizona has had that concept since well before I was born. A person cannot be expected to retreat further than their home.

There is no constitutional right to commit burglary, robbery, rape, criminal assault or murder, so if those are your avocation you'd best not figure on doing so with helpless victims in their homes in Arizona. It's been upheld many times.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2006, 12:18:31 PM »
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My first duty would be to my country in a Communist society.  But this ain't the soviet union.


So Kennedy was a Communist? Would you, as an American, do something that would profit yourself but hurt your country?

Believe it or not, but America's way of life and communisum have this same comon goal as "My first duty is to my country", as "My first duty is to myself" would be Anarchy.
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2006, 02:22:30 PM »
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 what I have noticed is an increased enrollment of very rough looking gang type tattooed individuals in local dojos which does concern me to an extent.  I hope that the philiosophies taught at most dojos will be a catalyst for a change in the attitudes of some of these young men.



This is probably a good thing Storch.  Those guys are already tough at street fighting and don't need Karate for that.  Any reputable dojo will weed out folks wanting to learn martial arts for antisocial purposes.  If anything, the serious students you describe are there to learn restraint and self discipline.

I have met Mr.Takashina (Shotokan) from your area near Miami.  He is chief instructor of the JKA  Atlantic Region and conducts training camps in Mobile once a year with T. Mikami.  Do you or have you trained Shotokan?




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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2006, 04:25:06 PM »
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No ... your first duty is to your country, not to yourself. (Just a side note).


Sorry I disagree MAJORLEY!!!!

Makes me think of...........

"Some people were put on this earth to be slaves. They're unhappy if they're not a slave, and they'll keep searching until they find someplace where they can be one."~~SM 101

And

"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all."~~Nikita Khrushchev

"All our lives we fought against exalting the individual, against the elevation of the single person."~~Vladimir Lenin

"There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual."~~ Benito Mussolini

"The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual"~~Adolph Hitler

"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society."~~Hillary Clinton, 1993

Many of you are well enough off that... the tax cuts may have helped you... We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, San Francisco, June 28, 2004 ~ or...

"...from each according to his means, to each according to his needs." -- Karl Marx, 19th Century

The individual is IMHO what made the U.S. of A. what it is or perhaps what it once was.
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