this is going to get some play....

[Curval]

Cool.  Should I happen to kill someone with my car (by accident of course), I'll use that excuse.  Thanks.

[texace]

Originally posted by Murdr
Dont think so.  The Upland Game Bird Stamp in Texas is new.  Because it is a new stamp, Texas provided a year of warning citations to anyone violating the new requirement to allow hunters time to be informed of it.

We were told that this only applied to hunters renewing their permits back in August. We had to inform those hunters of the new stamps and regulations. We didn't extend that luxury to hunters or fishermen buying new permits. Perhaps my superiors screwed the pooch when telling us what we could and could not say regarding the permits.

Hmm...

[Stringer]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
 the other guy would have had to be where he should have been while hunting.

 

By that the Cheney apologist means outside of the range of Dick's 360 degree swing arc.

Even my 11 year old knows that you don't do that.  Of course he just successfully completed his Hunters Safety course a few months ago, so the lessons of responsibility are still fresh in his mind.

Quote (from the Wichita Eagle)

Kansas hunters criticize CheneySafety experts say the vice president broke the rules when he swung around to shoot at quail and instead shot his hunting partner.BY MICHAEL PEARCEThe Wichita Eagle

Kansas hunter education instructors say Vice President Dick Cheney broke safe hunting rules when he shot another hunter Saturday in Texas. "Ultimately, the trigger-puller is always at fault," said Wayne Doyle, Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks hunter education coordinator. Cheney was quail hunting when his hunting partner, Harry Whittington, walked behind the hunting party to retrieve a shot bird.  

Doyle said Cheney should have stopped when Whittington went to retrieve his bird.  "Hunters always stop and wait if someone gets out of line," Doyle said. "The hunt should not resume until everyone's back in line."  

Ray Fischer, an instructor from Claflin, said Cheney also broke one of the 10 rules of safe gun handling --"Be sure of your target and beyond" -- listed in the Kansas hunter education book.  "He was sure of his target, but he obviously wasn't sure of what was behind it," Fischer said.

Doyle said those are among the primary lessons more than 400,000 students have learned in Kansas hunter education classes.  Since Kansas has a rich tradition in quail and pheasant hunting, students learn the safety challenges encountered as birds often fly low and in many directions.  

He estimated that Kansas hunters spent the equivalent of 1.5 million days small-game hunting in 2005, with 20 accidents.  "That's an almost insignificant number," he said. "But I guess it's not insignificant if you're the victim or the shooter."

But it is still a pure accident, on that I agree.  Avoidable by Cheney, yes, but accidental nonetheless.

[lasersailor184]

Not quite curval.  If you are speeding and lose control of your car, you are responsible if you hit someone that wasn't doing anything of the sort.  This would be an example of negligent homicide or manslaughter should someone die.

However, should you both lose control of your car and hit eachother, it's a pure accident and no one is at fault.

Should someone die from this, it's very unfortunate, but there would be no one person to blame.

[Shamus]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Not quite curval.  If you are speeding and lose control of your car, you are responsible if you hit someone that wasn't doing anything of the sort.  This would be an example of negligent homicide or manslaughter should someone die.

However, should you both lose control of your car and hit eachother, it's a pure accident and no one is at fault.

Should someone die from this, it's very unfortunate, but there would be no one person to blame.

I think you need to go back to law school.

This would be a slam dunk negligent homicide, manslaughter I doubt.

shamus

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[RedTop]

No charges filed = accident. Doesn't it?

[Yeager]

hangtime, you ok?

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by lazs2
I have to damn near kick pheasant to get em out of the way they are so fat.

what an image!

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Shamus
I think you need to go back to law school.

This would be a slam dunk negligent homicide, manslaughter I doubt.

shamus

A 17 year old Laura Bush ran a stop sign, t-boned a car that had no stop at that intersection, killing the driver who was her classmate.  No charges filed.

A school friends dad was driving on a local snowy street.  He was possibly going to fast for conditions, but not speeding.  A kid came sleding off a side street, he could not avoid him, and the kid was killed.

Thank goodness we generally get to elect the procecuters who are given the discression and athority to weigh the amount of negligence of the person involved, and decide whether it is just to bring criminal prosecution.  This would be a poor place to live if procecuters filed charges at the drop of a hat just because they could, and we had didnt have the power of the poll to keep them resonable.

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Murdr
A 17 year old Laura Bush ran a stop sign, t-boned a car that had no stop at that intersection, killing the driver who was her classmate.  No charges filed.

A school friends dad was driving on a local snowy street.  He was possibly going to fast for conditions, but not speeding.  A kid came sleding off a side street, he could not avoid him, and the kid was killed.

Thank goodness we generally get to elect the procecuters who are given the discression and athority to weigh the amount of negligence of the person involved, and decide whether it is just to bring criminal prosecution.  This would be a poor place to live if procecuters filed charges at the drop of a hat just because they could, and we had didnt have the power of the poll to keep them resonable.

If you are talking about the first lady, she is about my age and I remeber many cases back in the 60-70's where deaths occured thru DUI's, a car wreck caused by road rage or a bar fight where intent was taken in consideration and draconian charges were not filed.

We have become a harsh, somebody has to pay at all costs society.

Leave you dog in a hot car-felony, smack your kid-felony.

I suspect that if I shot someone under the same curcumstances and he died, I would be charged with a crime, what do you think?
 

shamus

[Ping]

What amazes me is how terms have changed. Manslaughter originally indicated an accidental unintended killing. Now its just a means for plea bargaining for murderers.

If the Lawyer died Cheney would be guilty of taking a human life, Manslaughter.
It was truely accidental.
IMO if someone is robbing the Quickie Mart and his gun accidently goes off, that is murder.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Yeager
hangtime, you ok?

Yah. Got a hangnail tho. Plauges the hell outta me at times.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Ping
What amazes me is how terms have changed. Manslaughter originally indicated an accidental unintended killing. Now its just a means for plea bargaining for murderers.

If the Lawyer died Cheney would be guilty of taking a human life, Manslaughter.
It was truely accidental.
IMO if someone is robbing the Quickie Mart and his gun accidently goes off, that is murder.

Ping, The Quick Market situation you are referring to is called felony murder. ANY death that is the result of intended or unintended action during the commission of a felony. In other words if someone in the store has a heart attack and dies during the robbery the robber will be accountable for the death as felony murder.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Shamus
I suspect that if I shot someone under the same curcumstances and he died, I would be charged with a crime, what do you think?
 

shamus

I would suspect not, but it depends on the DA.  The reason I would suspect not is because 'under the same curcumstances' you would have shot a friend, and naturally be very distrought about it.  Common sense would say that as long as you were not grossly (meaning in an outragious fashion) neglegent, that a jury would likely have sypathy for your situation.

There was an incident here where a deer hunters' bullet struck a car, and the thigh of the pregnate driver inside.  He did get charged, and pelad guilty, but I dont recall the charge, may have been a lessor degree of endangerment.  Where would jury sypathy fall in that case?  I think the answer is pretty clear.