Author Topic: Abuse in Iraq (again) (Read 1588 times)

Pooh21 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 13, 2006, 05:38:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
After reading most of the posts in this threat, you really that suprised? You should know by now that most in here can't wipe their arses until Fox News tells them it's OK to do so.

if you are not rooting for the home team, you should get out of the stadium

-dead- · « **Reply #31 on:** February 13, 2006, 06:31:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Pooh21

oh and dead, they obviously were throwing rocks, because as poor mistreated minoritys being steamrolled by the Bush/Haliburton corporate juggernaut, they felt they had no other options and we should feel sorry for their plight

No blood for oil!11
Bush is the satan!11
Walmart sucks1111
George Bush does not care about Black people!!!!!1

If you think throwing a rock vs assault rifles, airstrikes, riot gear etc is armed, score one for Western propaganda. But it begs the question why didn't they shoot them straight away if they were armed?

As to the reasons, it's all speculation: as I pointed out, none of us know why they were throwing rocks. You haven't asked, and you obviously don't care: score another one for Western propaganda.

The kids are most likely not a minority, given that the Brits generally troll around the South, which is populated by the majority Shi'ia. But again we don't know. If you think Iraqis are a minority in Iraq, though: score another one for Western propaganda.

The Brits here are certainly guilty of the most heinous crime possible in Operation Iraqi Freedom: being off-message. Nothing says "occupation not liberation" like a beating or a torture session.

Personally I'd say if you can't take a few rocks being thrown at you, you shouldn't sign up to be part of an occupying force: it comes with the package, and dishing out beatings aren't going to help calm things down. After all, the Brits weren't invited by the Iraqis, and if the Brits hadn't invaded and occupied Iraq, they wouldn't be there to get rocks thrown at them, so the Brits aren't deserving much in the way of sympathy to my mind: If you're not invited, you can hardly expect to be welcomed.
So if the Brits are really upset with the locals throwing stones at them, they could always take the unsubtle hint and just go home - unless you're suggesting there's more to Operation Iraqi Freedom than Iraqi freedom.

-dead- · « **Reply #32 on:** February 13, 2006, 06:34:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Pooh21
if you are not rooting for the home team, you should get out of the stadium

Mmm the delicious irony of it. The Iraqis are the home team, silly.

dmf · « **Reply #33 on:** February 13, 2006, 07:14:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Excel1
Lead can be overkill at times.

Rubber bullets may sound soft but they can still pack a hefty punch. They can easily injure, a hit to the head can kill. There were plenty of examples of serious injuries and even some deaths when they were used against rioters in Northern Ireland for example.

Excel

Well then be sure to hit them in the head at close range with rubber bullets fired from a double barrel shotgun.

texace · « **Reply #34 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:03:32 AM »

"Western propeganda"?

Just curious, but isn't everything Western propeganda to the Chinese? Is everything not written by the Chinese government Western propeganda?

What if you chose not to care because...you just don't care? That's my stance on this whole thing.

I'm not trying to be a troll, I really am curious. I've heard "Western propeganda" thrown around a lot by Chinese members of other boards I frequent...

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #35 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:18:08 AM »

Yeah Dead. Pull your head out of your ass. A group of teenagers were assaulting a group of British soldiers. British soldiers had every right to open up on the crowd to defend themselves. But they didn't.

Those teenagers got exactly what they deserved. Consider the other options they could have gotten.

1.) Shot. They were assaulting soldiers. Any reasonable person would defend themselves.
2.) Prison. They could have easily put them in prison for assault.

I'd say being spanked was a great idea. Those kids will remember every day of their life that they tried to assault british soldiers and got punished for it. They will also remember they got off light.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #36 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:39:24 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yeah Dead. Pull your head out of your ass. A group of teenagers were assaulting a group of British soldiers. British soldiers had every right to open up on the crowd to defend themselves. But they didn't.

Those teenagers got exactly what they deserved. Consider the other options they could have gotten.

1.) Shot. They were assaulting soldiers. Any reasonable person would defend themselves.
2.) Prison. They could have easily put them in prison for assault.

I'd say being spanked was a great idea. Those kids will remember every day of their life that they tried to assault british soldiers and got punished for it. They will also remember they got off light.

u might be wrong about that.
i`m pretty sure (ok..not sure but...) that those kids are already dead as they since became involved in the insurgency and got moved down...

jaxxo · « **Reply #37 on:** February 13, 2006, 10:29:03 AM »

looked pretty mild to me the stick whacks were half hearted, my mother swang way harder than that lol..send her over their with a wooden spoon and u will see some abuse! i saw one kick that looked like it had some real force behind it, maybe that guy got hit with a rock. who knows

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 13, 2006, 10:42:10 AM »

Yeah, I myself have been punished far worse for offenses which were much less.

Staga · « **Reply #39 on:** February 13, 2006, 11:06:32 AM »

I think those "soldiers" deserve a VC for their bravery in front of the enemy

Yeager · « **Reply #40 on:** February 13, 2006, 11:12:37 AM »

staga did you ever come up with any names of innocent people being executed in the US?

I havent checked that thread so maybe you already answered but I doubt it.

Gunthr · « **Reply #41 on:** February 13, 2006, 11:34:07 AM »

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So if the Brits are really upset with the locals throwing stones at them, they could always take the unsubtle hint and just go home - unless you're suggesting there's more to Operation Iraqi Freedom than Iraqi freedom. - Dead

I think it might be more than mere coincidence that we have a strategic military presence in the Middle East at this critical time in Iran's martial aspirations.

-dead- · « **Reply #42 on:** February 13, 2006, 01:10:21 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yeah Dead. Pull your head out of your ass. A group of teenagers were assaulting a group of British soldiers. British soldiers had every right to open up on the crowd to defend themselves. But they didn't.

Those teenagers got exactly what they deserved. Consider the other options they could have gotten.

1.) Shot. They were assaulting soldiers. Any reasonable person would defend themselves.
2.) Prison. They could have easily put them in prison for assault.

I'd say being spanked was a great idea. Those kids will remember every day of their life that they tried to assault british soldiers and got punished for it. They will also remember they got off light.

Oh yes of course the poor defenseless British soldiers were clearly the victims of agression by the big bad rock-toting Iraqis. Score one for the propaganda merchants.
The British soldiers had every right to kill civilians ... Score another for the propaganda. Do you even chew in between gulps?

As to the alternative options to a prolonged beating, I hate to burst your bubble but you have absolutely no idea if they didn't get 1) shot or 2) imprisoned after the squaddies were done kicking and beating them. They might not be alternatives at all.

And thanks for telling us about your childhood of being beaten about the head by teams of occupation soldiers armed with sticks and far worse: it explains a lot.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 13, 2006, 01:42:08 PM »

You might like the smell of open air Dead, it's a lot better then the smell of your own BS.

I never said the soldiers were defenseless. Nor did I say that they were victims.

I did say that the soldiers have every right to defend themselves. In the past however, many times they chose to not do so with deadly force, even when deadly force was being used against them.

The problem with today's world (and I have seen it first hand) is the lack of punishment for bad behavior. I have seen children raised up who have never heard the word punishment before. They keep commiting offenses until finally they get bitten in the ass, and hard.

For example, I worked at a camp. Out of 9 of the kids in my cabin, only 2 of them had been punished at all. And by punished, I just mean "Time Out" or something. These kids would get so upset when they would do something wrong because we would punish them! They had no idea why we were punishing them!

So what's the real problem here? The british soldiers spanking the boys? Or the boys throwing rocks not expecting to get punished for it.

jaxxo · « **Reply #44 on:** February 13, 2006, 01:43:25 PM »

talk about propaganda..you can definitely talk some trash dead lol...snipers with rifles choose exact seens like those kids throwing rocks to open fire because of the allied reluctance to open fire with chldren present and the mass chaos gives them a distinct advantage..so yes its about alot more than rock throwing