Heinkel He.111

[rogerdee]

did u guys know that the he111 in the  Hendon museum is a  origional german made one  from the 1940.most places  with them on desplay have the spanish built ones.

Id love to see this plane  and have the toerpedo option and the v1  option to come with it

[Rino]

Wow, alot of whaaa whaaaing in this thread.  

     It is true however that the Spanish planeset is entirely under
represented.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Krusty
This isn't "still another spitfire" -- it's probably the most uber spitfire we've ever had and will ever get. This puppy's probably going to end up perked at the rate it's going.

And you still say "it's not new"??

It's had a profound impact on the arena as a whole!
 

Krusty that's such a load of crap it isn't even funny.

What you have is a lot of guys who see that the number 16 comes after 14 so it must be more uber then the 14 even though it's nothing more then a clipped LF 9 with an American Packard Merlin 266.

Check out what the good Spitfire drivers are flying.  Chances are they are in Spit 8s or Spit 9s.

I love nothing more then going nose to nose with a Spit 16 in an 8 or 9.  I'm a lousy stick but 9 out of 10 times I'm going to beat the guy in the 16 cause he thinks he can turn with the full span wing 8 or 9.

Has it had an impact on the arena?  You bet.  Now the guys who were running away at light speed in their LA7s are having to stay and fight because they can't outrun everything.  I'd rather run into 100 guys in Spit 16s cause they can't run away then 100 guys in LA7s who HO and run.

[Krusty]

Guppy you might disagree, but I'd not be so harsh as to call it "a load of crap".

I have taken a liking to the Spit14 lately, myself. I don't mind the 8/9. However the Spit16 performs as well in most areas as the 8/9, better in some areas. The only benefit the 14 has is engine power and speed (I think it's got about 50MPH over the 16??). All these late spits turn almost the same. The 14 is a little worse than its relatives, but not very much. The 16 rolls a lot better, it has the old SpitV's UFO-ness and ability to hang on its nose until doomsday, it can hover, it can flip, rotate, loop-de-loop and anything else, and it's got 50cals instead of 303s, so it's got a slightly stronger punch over the 8/9.

Top speed aside, and performance at 20k+ aside, the 16 is the best spit in the game.

I will grant you that folks in spits stay and fight, instead of taking the LA7 route and fleeing, but going by the numbers we've lost no LA7 pilots, and gained 40,000+ spit16 pilots, so it's not the same folk. The LA7 folk are still running, it's just the other folk that don't run are now in better planes. The folk that run are still here.

You can add comments such as "in the right hands" and so forth, and for the most part I will agree with you! However, the *average* pilot in a spit16 is going to beat the *average* pilot in a spit8/9.

My initial point was to differentiate that a spitfire is NOT a spitfire is NOT a spitfire. Seems folks don't care, they just want new planes. Who can blame 'em?

[Furball]

the big BS'er in the Spit 14 is the strange torque effect killing rudder snapshots which only seems to effect that plane.

[Bronk]

LMAO
I'd like to hear the whine if the MK XII was to be introduced.




Bronk

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Furball
the big BS'er in the Spit 14 is the strange torque effect killing rudder snapshots which only seems to effect that plane.

Agreed. This plane was reportedly almost identical to a spitV in performance and characteristics. It looks like HTC simply put an arbitrary limitation on the plane simply because it was a perk plane, or some such silly reason. I've noticed that for years on the -14. It's not just torque, it also has moments of instability, accelerated stalls when it ought not to, and so forth. No other spits experience this, as far as I can recall.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Furball
the big BS'er in the Spit 14 is the strange torque effect killing rudder snapshots which only seems to effect that plane.

Read anything about flying the Griffon Spits and pilots agree it was a totally different animal.  One of the beefs of the Spit XII drivers was the need for constant rudder trimming to keep it pointed in the right direction.  Torque from that Griffon was a real beast.  They'd even add more pressure to the oleo in the undercarriage leg on the side the torque would try and roll the plane to as to try and help on the take off roll.

Common occurance for the Merlin Spit drivers transitioning to the Griffon birds was to trim the rudder the way they did in the Merlin Spit.  Problem was the prop rotated the other direction in the Griffon Spits.  Lots of strange take offs seen until the word got out better to trim the other way.

Can't say I fly the Spit 14 in AH, as it's perked and I stay out of the perked birds so I don't know what that feels like in AH.

[ramzey]

you guys are f**** sick
cold you just hold yourself  and dont do from every thread spit thread

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Krusty
Agreed. This plane was reportedly almost identical to a spitV in performance and characteristics. It looks like HTC simply put an arbitrary limitation on the plane simply because it was a perk plane, or some such silly reason. I've noticed that for years on the -14. It's not just torque, it also has moments of instability, accelerated stalls when it ought not to, and so forth. No other spits experience this, as far as I can recall.

The Spit V was considered the best Spit in terms of overall handling.  Basically a dream to fly from what Spit V pilots have said, in comparrison to the others.

That DOES NOT mean it's the best combat Spit.  As with any of  the WW2 birds, as engine horsepower increased, so did weight, etc.  Some handling was sacrificed for overall performance.

There is NO comparison between flying a Spit V and a Spit 14.  They considered renaming the Spits that had the Griffon because it was in many ways a totally different bird.

Always cracks me up in AH to see a Spit 14 driver get into a turn fight with any other variant of the Spit.  He'll lose the turn fight every time, when he can in fact control it with the other attributes of the 14.  Think I still have the film of a guy who tried to do that with me in a Spit V and him in a 14.  He lost but he shouldn't have.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by ramzey
you guys are f**** sick
cold you just hold yourself  and dont do from every thread spit thread

Hey!  He started it!

Points at Krusty

[helldiver]

we do need the he.111:noid

[RAIDER14]

[Krusty]

^-- Points at Ramzey and Guppy

I used spits as an example, then it got detoured from there!!

P.S. Guppy, try out the Spit14. It's a very cheap perk, all of about 15 points, you can make that back in a single sortie most times. I made good use of its top speed and its climbing abilities to evade other spits, and then chase them down when they broke, and also to spiral over them and roll down on them. Also helps that it has a little more gas in the wings (like the 8).

[ramzey]

Who do you call noob kid?