Author Topic: Setup for Sunday Feb. 19th - Karelia RPS  (Read 3296 times)

Offline StarOfAfrica2

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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2006, 12:39:05 AM »
I know I asked this question to Dok once and he made the point about the FM2 being too much for a sub for the Brewster.  When we did the Rangoon scenario he subbed in the SBD because he said the performance was more similar.  Just a thought.

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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2006, 06:31:04 AM »
Ok, the terrain is now loaded and the setup's done. Go and fly. :)

Please post here if there's something wrong or if you're having problems with the terrain.
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2006, 06:38:51 AM »
Looking forward to this RPS. On such a lovely map none the less. Hope my FPS can stomach it online.....


One little thing id like to request for the RPS generally speaking. When you guys publish the dates that new planes are added/old ones removed..... could you please give us the date (todays date, not WW2) when that happens? On the BoB plane set you said: Day ## plane XY added. Trouble was: i never knew which was day 0. Would be great to know how long i can enjoy my HMk1 :D .
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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2006, 11:25:13 AM »
Most people are flying up north.But if youwanna fly the 109 or the 110 you have to fly out of a14 wich is way south,so this pertty much takes it out of action.:huh

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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2006, 11:39:22 AM »
Guys it seems the only way to change countrys is the .Country command. Don't know if thats a problem on the map end or the arena setup end.

Gears right, with the size of the map you may want to  enable the aircraft at all fields.

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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2006, 11:48:56 AM »
As the war progresses, the Germans will get closer to Leningrad...
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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2006, 11:55:25 AM »
Always was curious about the sub of the FM-2 for the Brewster 239 (Buffalo).

Seems the F4F or SBD would be closer to the performance. The FM-2 is just WAY TOO UBBER for this sub.

Sorry, Finns - just the way I see it.

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2006, 12:05:42 PM »
- FM-2 is faster at deck, but has less guns than F4F-4.... only 4 like the Brewster.
- Top speed for F4F-4 and FM-2 is close to same, although both are faster than Brewster.
- F4F-4 would climb much worse than Brewster, while FM-2 and Brewster climb quite equally.

One should maybe also ask how the La5 can be subbed with La5FN??...  It just can ;)
« Last Edit: February 19, 2006, 12:10:01 PM by BlauK »


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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2006, 12:27:36 PM »
Thanks for that info BlauK, I see even today the Buffalo is still the Taivaan Helmi to you Finns.  But you have to admit that the sub has more to do with you Finns having an inflated believe in your piloting skills, fighting the peasant airforce, than in actual plane performance. :D


Found an interesting online article on the Buffalo for anybody that is interested and hasn't seen it yet.

http://www.airspacemag.com/ASM/Mag/Index/1996/JJ/ssbb.html
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2006, 12:44:53 PM »
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Originally posted by BlauK
- FM-2 is faster at deck, but has less guns than F4F-4.... only 4 like the Brewster.
- Top speed for F4F-4 and FM-2 is close to same, although both are faster than Brewster.
- F4F-4 would climb much worse than Brewster, while FM-2 and Brewster climb quite equally.

One should maybe also ask how the La5 can be subbed with La5FN??...  It just can ;)


I don't see the LA5N fighting against Bf-109E's this week ethier.

I do see the FM2 fighting against P-40B's.

Doesn't really matter , I just think you guys pulled the wool over some eyes on this one.:aok

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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2006, 02:59:26 PM »
Finns using the FM2 is just fine IMO.  The Brewsters the Finns used historically were not the navy models the US used at Midway (where the Buffalo earned its "flying coffin" reputation).  The Finn version did not have as much armor or the reinforced undercarriage to allow carrier landings that the US version had.  As such it was a very nimble compared to most of the planes it went up against, and it racked up quite an impressive record.

World War 2 Magazine did a write-up on it a while ago (can't find the issue - been a problem for me lately) and if memory serves, the Buffalos finally stopped flying more or less due to wear and tear, and not due to enemy action.  I think the overall record of Brewsters vs Russian aircraft was in the neighborhood of 26-1.  

Point being, given the reputation and record of the Brewster in Finnish hands, I can understand using the FM2.  Given the reputation of the Brewster in US hands in a much more widely-known battle, I can see why most people would be very skeptical.  The thing to keep in mind then, is that the two aircraft were quite different for the reasons already mentioned.

Staga posted the following in a thread in the Aircraft and vehicles forum under the thread "Russia's favorite lend-lease aircraft".  I think it sums it up nicely.

Like "Pappy" Boyington said to interviewer about B-239 Brewster:


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"It was a DOG!" (Heavier B-339 "Buffalo").
Then he slowly leaned back in his chair and after a moment quietly said, "But the early models, before they weighed it all down with armorplate, radios and other sh_t, they were pretty sweet little ships. Not real fast, but the little fuc_s could turn and roll in a phonebooth. Oh yeah--sweet little ship; but some engineer went and fu__d it up."

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Finns had the 239, US had 339.
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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2006, 03:01:55 PM »
Well, I believe I was writing that both of those options are better (in total?) than Brewster, but the choice is to be made between F4F-4 (better guns + better top speed + worse climb) and FM-2 (same guns + better top speed + same climb).

Remember that FAF uses this Brewster all the way to the end of the war. IMHO, FM-2 is a better representative of Brewster between these 2 options.

You will see the FM-2 fighting Yaks and La5FN:s.

P-40B does not sub the I-15, I-153, LaGG3 or Mig3 very accurately either, does it?


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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2006, 03:11:39 PM »
You make some very valid points BlauK, that was the kind of information I mentioned that was lacking at least  in my mind.  I think just as you mention with the P40 the problem is subbing is always a tough thing to do.
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« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2006, 03:30:19 PM »
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P-40B does not sub the I-15, I-153, LaGG3 or Mig3 very accurately either, does it?


I have no idea, but if your correct....... Why have this setup at all? You don't see all these subs allowed in other setups.

The FM2 is a good plane to battle the Hurri II with though.

It just doesn't quite look like Finn/Russ at the moment. It's more of a showdown between Hawker, and Grumman. I've been flying the Emil mostly today, and I have to admit when I fly Axis it's going to be in the Psuedo Buffalo until the Franz comes out.:aok

It is too bad all the planes from your list don't exsist in the sim. Maybe one day they will be able to get around to all of them. Hopefully TOD will produce the need for some of the older birds.
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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2006, 07:46:18 PM »
Did the Finnish B.239 have 2x .50 cal MGs & 2x .30 cal MG or a gun set of 4x .50 cal. machine guns?
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