Author Topic: Need new Monitor (Read 1516 times)

Soulyss · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2006, 02:45:10 PM »

It's good if your lamp has a 3 year warrantee... make sure you don't have a minimum hour limit as well.. I've seen things like 1 year or 300 hours (to pick a number out of the air) whichever comes first. I still think a 720P CRT will look better than a "1080p", especially a DLP since there is not a true 1080 DLP on the market that I have seen. Many will advertise that spec but they achieve it by pixel-shifting or "wobulation". I do not think that Texas Instruments has developed a chip with 1080 lines of mirrors. Course with CRT's you get the size, weight and burn-in issues as have been mentioned.

I think 1080p plasma's and LCD's are starting to show up. But without a true source at that resolution you won't get the most out of them, they will have to upscale the source image (which should look good still) just not the most the TV has to offer.

One thing to be careful of with those 1080P DLP's check with the manufacturer there is at least a chance they will NOT be able to display a true 1080P source signal (when they become available)

If I had my choice I'd dump my old CRT in a heartbeat and get a 50-55" Fujitsu plasma.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2006, 03:23:07 PM »

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I agree about the superior quality of CRT. However, they are really dead technology now. Soon you won't be able to get one. I bought a 20" NEC Multisync 2070NX and I'm very happy with it. You soon forget about any doubts.

I think we have to get used to LCD's for gaming now and get over it.

Unfortunately it is true. CRT's are going away, and going away very quickly. When mine dies, it will end my having a computer at home. I have yet to find an LCD which will live up to my expectations. I hate paying for compromised hardware.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2006, 03:54:29 PM »

Skuzzy if you think that way, why not buy a CRT or two to stock now that they're dirt cheap?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2006, 04:06:28 PM »

Actually, I have a backup CRT already. When I saw this coming, I bought another NEC FP1375 monitor. FP series monitors are very hard to find now, if you can find them at all, and were probably (arguably, maybe) the best monitors you could get.

Hopefully, there will be a new technology which will be as good as CRT's were when I get through the last monitor.

indy007 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2006, 05:02:48 PM »

Well that sucks. I thought something was strange at Best Buy the other day when I realised they had *1* CRT monitor... a cheesy looking 17" with subpar specs. I still have my old 17" laying around that gets used at lan parties, and my trusty Viewsonic 19". Gotta find a guy who came up with the "superbright" button for gaming modes. He deserves a case of beer.

DAVENRINO · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2006, 01:08:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Soulyss
It's good if your lamp has a 3 year warrantee... make sure you don't have a minimum hour limit as well.. I've seen things like 1 year or 300 hours (to pick a number out of the air) whichever comes first.

It is through Repairmaster with no limit on hours.

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Originally posted by Soulyss
I still think a 720P CRT will look better than a "1080p", especially a DLP since there is not a true 1080 DLP on the market that I have seen. Many will advertise that spec but they achieve it by pixel-shifting or "wobulation". I do not think that Texas Instruments has developed a chip with 1080 lines of mirrors.

Soulyss,
You are pretty well informed but I am gusessing that you have never actually seen one of the new 1080p DLPs with a 1080p source or even HD for that matter. My set has only been available since late Sept. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I have never seen ANYTHING that looks any better than my display. You are absolutely correct about the wobulation, but it works very well and is the reason why there are no motion artifacts since half the pixels are always lit at any given time.

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Originally posted by Soulyss
I think 1080p plasma's and LCD's are starting to show up. But without a true source at that resolution you won't get the most out of them, they will have to upscale the source image (which should look good still) just not the most the TV has to offer.

You already have a true 1080p source - your computer. The WMV 1080p format looks Awesome on my set. The Bluryay/HD DVD 1080p source is just around the corner. Meanwhile, my puter upscales DVD's to 1080p so the tv doesn't have to.

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Originally posted by Soulyss
One thing to be careful of with those 1080P DLP's check with the manufacturer there is at least a chance they will NOT be able to display a true 1080P source signal (when they become available)

You are again correct, my HP is currently the only Rear Projection set that accepts 1080p through the HDMI port. This will be important for Bluray/ HD DVD which will only be at max quality through HDMI. I am sure the 2006 models will all accept 1080p through HDMI.

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Originally posted by Soulyss
If I had my choice I'd dump my old CRT in a heartbeat and get a 50-55" Fujitsu plasma.

That brings up the final consideration - bang for buck. How much does that plasma cost? My 58" set was less then $4k delivered to my home in Hawaii with a five year extented warranty. Of course, with plasma you still have the burn-in and motion artifact issues and the fading brightness issue with no replaceable lamp.

There isn't a perfect technology but I love my HP.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2006, 07:36:38 AM »

A little OT, but DAVENRINO, is all the equipment in your setup tagged "HD Ready" or HDCP compliant? Probably not a good question to ask, as it cannot be as HDCP just got revised again this last month.

No video cards on the marker marked 'HDCP' compliant really are. There is a bit of screaming starting up about it. It really will not hit the fan until DluRay/HD DVD's hit the streets and everyone finds out they cannot play them without an upgraded (read, replacing various pieces of equipment in the chain needed to play the media).

Even your monitor has to be 'HDCP' compliant, which will be marked 'HD Ready' when they become available.

I only bring it up as you mentioned the HD formats and seem excited about the prospect of playing them on your system. Right now, there is no equipment on the market which could play HD DVD's out of the box, due to recent HDCP changes, which have delayed the release of BluRay and HD formats, again.

DAVENRINO · « **Reply #22 on:** February 21, 2006, 01:29:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
A little OT, but DAVENRINO, is all the equipment in your setup tagged "HD Ready" or HDCP compliant? Probably not a good question to ask, as it cannot be as HDCP just got revised again this last month.

Sorry bout getting OT. My HP is currently HD ready and HDCP Compliant as it succesfully connects to my HD DVR through HDMI. Connecting the same DVR to my 50" Panny through DVI produced an HDCP non-compliance message and no picture.

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
No video cards on the marker marked 'HDCP' compliant really are. There is a bit of screaming starting up about it. It really will not hit the fan until DluRay/HD DVD's hit the streets and everyone finds out they cannot play them without an upgraded (read, replacing various pieces of equipment in the chain needed to play the media).

Here is a good article on the video card issue-
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_nvidia_hdcp_support/

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I only bring it up as you mentioned the HD formats and seem excited about the prospect of playing them on your system. Right now, there is no equipment on the market which could play HD DVD's out of the box, due to recent HDCP changes, which have delayed the release of BluRay and HD formats, again.

I don't know anyone who knows for sure, but we are hoping the new HDMI 1.3 will be backwards compatible. Do you have confirmation that it won't be?

This is a post from the AVS Forum. Even if my set is not compliant with the new HDCP spec, I will still be satisfied with the near HD quality from my computer outputting 1080p or from my standalone DVD player which upconverts to 1080i through HDMI allowing the HP to deinterlace to 1080p.
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QUOTE: Originally Posted by lexx Well it works for me. I have an SA8300HD cable box that sends the HDCP along the HDMI cable to my TV. The TV works with video and sound connected to my HDMI1 input, so it would seem the 6580 is HDCP compliant. If you go deep into the SA8300 setup and settings, it clearly details the HDCP deployment. "We know we're OK w/current implementations of HDMI/HDCP. However, we've also seen some "twitchy" connectivity w/some STBs with the current versions of HDMI/HDCP in place now. What Halobox is likely referring to is what's coming in the new 1080p players and the upcoming HDMI 1.3 spec, etc. Is everything they are doing in those implementations going to be backwards compatible w/what HP put into place last year when our sets were manufactured? Backwards compatibility is usually a priority in these areas, but since HP was just about the only manuf. with a 1080p/HDMI set last year, and most manuf. just getting into 1080p/HDMI this year, what is the risk that HP jumped "too soon?" My expectation is that we'll be OK, that backwards compatibility will be there, but we'll need to have HD DVD and Blu Ray players in hand to be sure." END QUOTE

Skuzzy · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2006, 01:59:08 PM »

It is a crap shoot right now. No one from either the HD or BluRay camp has said one way or the other. I know the new HDCP spec caused delays in HD/BluRay releases until later this year.
Until they start shipping players, my best guess/speculation is there is no gaurantee of backward compatibility. They have no reason as they have never been shipped. Hopefully that is not the case, but in reading the HDCP stuff, they do not appear to be that concerned with backwards compatibility.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2006, 03:49:46 PM »

All this jacking off with DRM schemes is alienating customers like plague. And they wonder why sales are getting low gee!

Skuzzy · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2006, 03:55:21 PM »

You think this is bad Ripley, wait until you see MS Vista. DRM is taken to new highs.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #26 on:** February 22, 2006, 12:50:12 AM »

I would so much like to see I'll never work with vista but since I work on corporate IT sector..

Skuzzy · « **Reply #27 on:** February 22, 2006, 07:30:17 AM »

Oh yeah, you're screwed. I cannot figure out why the IT sector (and no offense to those stuck in that task) still has any credibility left. They buy into all the marketing speil from MS every time MS releases a new OS.

Remember how MS touted how secure XP was when they released it? Now they are saying Vista will be even more secure? While they are still releasing security updates for XP.

Or how about how MS has provided applications private/hidden registry entries so they can auto-start and prevent the typical user from stopping them? Vista appears to have more entries which cannot be altered with the registry editor, and some which will not even show up in the registry editor. Wait until the spyware/malware kiddies get a hold of those.

I feel for ya Ripley, or anyone stuck in the corporate IT sector.

straffo · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2006, 08:19:21 AM »

Mr Ripley I guess like me you have one of those

around your neck ?

storch · « **Reply #29 on:** February 22, 2006, 10:31:42 AM »

I bought a viewsonic CRT A91f+ at comp USA for US$249.00 with a US$50.00 rebate. I'm going to the store in the next town to see if they had another this unit was mfg'd in April 2004.

Author Topic: Need new Monitor (Read 1516 times)

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