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Offline Seagoon

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« on: February 21, 2006, 03:48:15 PM »
Hi all,

A while back MT started a thread asserting that Christian leaders should be condemning Pat Robertson and his sillier statements. Over the past few months,  despite the difficulty of doing so, they have been. For instance, he has been disinvited from speaking at the NRB (National Religious Broadcasters) convention - even though he is on the board, and had his statements publically repudiated by Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptist Convention. The Evangelical Newsmagazine "World" (circulation roughly 400,000)  has been particularly apt in criticisms of Robertson, and has been keeping the pressure on despite the danger of doing so. I've included links to just a few articles on the subject in that magazine:

http://www.worldmag.com/articles/11461
http://www.worldmag.com/articles/11539
http://www.worldmag.com/articles/10994

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2006, 04:12:42 PM »
Pat Roberson is a menace to all social order.

It's hard to believe that he would stoop so low as to lead violent demonstrations in which people died because of cartoons of the Prophet.

He should be arrested and imprisoned for inciting riots.

The World Magazine is indeed courageous for their reports.  Pat Robertson is probably planning a suicide bomber attack on their HQ right now.

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2006, 04:17:43 PM »
The funny thing is, no one with any sense has listened to the man for years, yet he maintains a decent sized following.  His kind of bigotry has no place in Christianity in general, or the Southern Baptist Association in particular.  The cameras always love an idiot that cant keep his mouth shut though.  He is an embarassment.

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2006, 06:04:45 PM »
Jerry Fallwell falls into this category too

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2006, 08:08:02 PM »
Neither has anything on Fred Phelps.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2006, 10:09:51 AM »
I watched about 5 minutes of the 700 club before going to bed..........:rofl


64 year old blind woman has a baby.  It's almost like the Weekly World News that program, but not as entertaining.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2006, 10:14:30 AM »
Gooss,

Not that I am a fan of robertson by any means (I think he's a tard frankly) but I'm curious. You want him arrested for inciting riots, just what riots would those be?
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2006, 10:31:42 AM »
Thanks Seagoon... Quite the memory you have there.

This is from one of your links...

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The CBN chairman insisted that he had decided on his own not to speak at the National Religious Broadcasters convention next week: "They told me that whatever I'd like to do would be fine. I was voted Broadcaster of the Year by the NRB. I was also voted into the Hall of Fame of the NRB." Did some members of the board suggest he not speak? "I'm on the board, for heaven's sake. I'm on the board. I'm going to vote to disinvite myself?"

But WORLD agreed to anonymity for one NRB board member intimately familiar with the situation, and he reported that some board members were appalled by the prospect of a Robertson address. NRB chairman and president Ronald Harris and Frank Wright met with the invitee, discussed the situation, and found him "gracious" in agreeing not to speak.


Sounds like the NRB really put the hammer to him.

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2006, 10:54:14 AM »
If I had the autoriy I`d ban all religions period. Promising ppl life after death and taking their money or making them do some god awful things in the name of whatever higher being...that`s all religion is good for. Ohh...and the ones that are feeling so righteous that belive they have the right to tell others what they supposed to do and how to go about their lives...gimme a f-in` break already

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2006, 10:55:59 AM »
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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
If I had the autoriy I`d ban all religions period. Promising ppl life after death and taking their money or making them do some god awful things in the name of whatever higher being...that`s all religion is good for. Ohh...and the ones that are feeling so righteous that belive they have the right to tell others what they supposed to do and how to go about their lives...gimme a f-in` break already


couldn't have said it better Caligula!

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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2006, 11:14:03 AM »
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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
If I had the autoriy I`d ban all religions period. Promising ppl life after death and taking their money or making them do some god awful things in the name of whatever higher being...that`s all religion is good for. Ohh...and the ones that are feeling so righteous that belive they have the right to tell others what they supposed to do and how to go about their lives...gimme a f-in` break already


Its funny, we keep metrics on lives lost due to religion and war, but we don't keep metrics on how many lives were saved due to religion.

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2006, 11:17:06 AM »
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Its funny, we keep metrics on lives lost due to religion and war, but we don't keep metrics on how many lives were saved due to religion.


how many?

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2006, 12:52:00 PM »
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how many?



none.

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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2006, 01:31:49 PM »
Hi MT,

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Thanks Seagoon... Quite the memory you have there.

This is from one of your links...



Sounds like the NRB really put the hammer to him.

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You have to understand, for the NRB to "disinvite" and that's what happened despite the window dressing, a board member, and one of the most popular religious broadcasters in the world, is a major event. Especially in our non-confrontational, para-church, little or no accountability, egalitarian world. They also realize there is no upside to it. Those opposed to them aren't going to praise them and its already caused a lot of Christians who have a personal loyalty to Robertson to complain.

But as for how important it was, it would be like the DNC disinviting Howard Dean from speaking at the National Convention because of his habit of popping off with outrageous and embarrassing statements. How likely or easy do you think that is, and can you imagine the backlash from his supporters?

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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2006, 02:29:46 PM »
Hi Caligula,

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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
If I had the autoriy I`d ban all religions period. Promising ppl life after death and taking their money or making them do some god awful things in the name of whatever higher being...that`s all religion is good for. Ohh...and the ones that are feeling so righteous that belive they have the right to tell others what they supposed to do and how to go about their lives...gimme a f-in` break already


Given your above assessment, I'm curious, what exactly do you believe I became a Pastor for?

I left a job a stable and very lucrative job as a systems administrator in 1997 just a year before I was finally going to be able to make the jump to head of Information Systems for a D.C. area N.G.O. I moved away from a beautiful house  in the horse farm area of Northern Virginia with its own fishing pond in the backyard, I left behind friends, and stability to move to a nasty apartment in the suburbs of Philadelphia in order to begin 4 years of seminary and get a second Masters. In funding that education, my wife and I spent all of our savings and most of our stock options, etc. Eventually after I graduated, and received a call to plant a church in Fayetteville, NC, I moved and left behind good friends and stability yet again, to embark upon a career where we will never earn even half of what we were earning in our last year in Northern Virginia.

Today, I work more hours than I've ever worked in my life, I see less of my family than I did in seminary, I work every week with four consecutive drop-dead writing deadlines, requiring hours of study and prep, that I have to meet regardless of the circumstances. I counsel at least twice a week for several hours (I do not charge for counseling) and we are usually talking about people with big problems, usually after a session they feel better and I feel emotionally drained. I do hospital and prison visitations, and family visitations on a regular basis. I run food to the sick and babysit the kids of the church when the women are meeting. I do funerals, and grieve with the grieving. We provide whatever support we can to wives with deployed husbands and are currently supporting several people without jobs and helping to pay for extra insurance and medical bills. I help with moving families on a moments notice and crisis calls to our house after midnight aren't uncommon. I am also the man who has to go and tell wives that their husbands have been seriously wounded or killed in action. I could sleep or cry at any given moment in the day, but I don't. I drink more coffee than I ever have in my life. By comparison Server administration and user support at its worst was a cakewalk.

And yet, I am not complaining. I quite literally wouldn't leave my calling or my congregation for a million dollars. As hard as it is, I've been used in genuinely helping more people over the past 4 years than I have in the previous 32. And none of that is due one wit to my being high and mighty or "righteous." Far from it, I am just a mere sinner saved by grace, but I do serve a mighty God. Through His ordinary means of grace, I've been blessed to see marriages that were DOA turn around, people turn from lives being eaten up by drugs and alcohol, the lost and friendless gain hope, direction, and companionship, I've seen the faithless, selfish and despairing who have been serving idols that were comsuming them, turn to Christ and begin living faithful lives of loving Christ, dying to self, and serving others and seeking to be a blessing, rather than a curse to those around them.

Now in 36 years of traveling, and learning, and working and even dabbling with a host of other religions and sects, I've never seen anything else with that kind of power or ability to effect the deliverance that comes through the one who says "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." (Matt. 11:29-30) And that, and not hopes of gaining riches that soon perish, is why I answered "I will go, send me" to the command in Matt. 28:18-20.

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