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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2006, 01:56:16 PM »
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The oil is in the north too.  Where the oil is not is where the sunnis live.
that's correct the kurds do have oil

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2006, 04:01:08 PM »
the media has invented the "iraq civil war" it will give them many more "breaking news" stories and the reporters will have more chances to win a Pulitzer prize. The media would love more killing, "XXX killed in iraq today"    blood=news, peace=boring

and for the people who think iraq is in a "civil war", you have no idea what a civil war is.

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2006, 08:57:48 PM »
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Cage match between the Iranian backed insurgents


Because Iran is backing all insurgents in Iraq?

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2006, 08:59:44 PM »
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no.  If the Iranian backed mobsters win, we will have blown a massive fortune on a complete failure.  Not only a failure, a 'worse case scenario' for the war planners.  It would be better to have a saddam regime than to make Iran twice as large and 100 times as wealthy.  We went in there to install a pro american, oil friendly regime so as to keep the oil flowing well into the 21st century.  To topple saddam and have iran move in would be the most incompetant military adventure in recorded history.


A massive fortune on a complete failure?
Havent we done that already?
Toppleing Saddam is just the president doing what his father didn't do.
As for Iran, and that madman they have in charge, Its just a mater of time before we're in that country too.
Granted Saddam needed to be removed from power, but personally If I was in charge I'd concentrate on finding the guy that orcestrated 911, then worried about Iraq

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2006, 09:05:30 PM »
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A massive fortune on a complete failure?
Havent we done that already?
Toppleing Saddam is just the president doing what his father didn't do.
As for Iran, and that madman they have in charge, Its just a mater of time before we're in that country too.
Granted Saddam needed to be removed from power, but personally If I was in charge I'd concentrate on finding the guy that orcestrated 911, then worried about Iraq
we now have a fixed base in the region where we can work from that isn't israel.  that is what is significant about iraq.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2006, 12:31:10 AM »
You mean the one in Turkey?

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2006, 12:17:17 PM »
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that's correct the kurds do have oil


But nobody else in the region likes, wants, or trusts the Kurds....so it is "fundamentally" impossible to put them in control of anything.  Their autonomous zone already has the Turks and Iranians nervous.

I guess the Administration can always spin an Iraqi Civil War off as all part of democracy.....after all, America had a Civil War, didn't we?

Wall Street on the other hand........

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2006, 12:38:42 PM »
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A massive fortune on a complete failure?
Havent we done that already?
Toppleing Saddam is just the president doing what his father didn't do.
As for Iran, and that madman they have in charge, Its just a mater of time before we're in that country too.
Granted Saddam needed to be removed from power, but personally If I was in charge I'd concentrate on finding the guy that orcestrated 911, then worried about Iraq


I'd have gone after the known and suspected terrorists camps that lie in another 40-odd countries, kept chasing the terrorists fleeing Afghanistan to Indonesia and Pakistan, brought pressure against Syria who likes to play both sides, and get the most out of the post 9-11 timeframe where we had the policital capital, "right of vengence", and "rightousness" capital to spend and many smaller and quicker operations rather than blowing it all on empire building ("Texas, Far East") and destabilizing the most secular Arab nation, which the UN had more or less contained, and had no real ties to terrorists in the first place (THE most secular Arab nation at the time after all, not exactly a friend to fundamentalists).  

I realize what they *thought* they were trying to do in Iraq.  I can read a map and realize what a stable ally, basing rights, and access to those oil reserves could mean there....but it totally overlook the realities regarding the people and the culture on the ground.  They completely read that wrong, and continue to do so.

These problems have simply been compounded over the years by refusing to admit to mistakes made, failing to deliver on promises made, and stubbornly plodding along with rose covered blinders on.

I've been unlucky enough to see the effects on the ground for over a years time spent there..... we've been screwing up by the numbers.  Some of my fellow soldiers have pride in what they accomplish over there, and I have to allow them that, no one wants to feel their efforts and hard work and sacrifices have been in vain..... but I personally can't take pride in somthing like building a school if all the teachers are dragged into the street and shot in front of their students a few weeks later by insurgents.  For every step forward, we end up taking two or three steps back.

A stable democracy and U.S. ally I believe is no longer in the cards..... we're either going to see another Iran rise out of Iraq's ashes, or a fragmented civil war with the potential of dragging other middle eastern nations into it, and consequently ruining western economies when oil supplies are interrupted.

What a mess.

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2006, 04:12:28 PM »
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But nobody else in the region likes, wants, or trusts the Kurds....so it is "fundamentally" impossible to put them in control of anything.  Their autonomous zone already has the Turks and Iranians nervous.

I guess the Administration can always spin an Iraqi Civil War off as all part of democracy.....after all, America had a Civil War, didn't we?

Wall Street on the other hand........
the kurds with a separate kurdistan should be a concern to the turks and the iranians as they live in all three countries where they border one another.  a kurdish state properly supported by the US would be very useful to us both politically and militarily.  the problem lies in how to sell the idea to turks.

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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2006, 12:04:47 AM »
Face it every muslim country hates the United states, and wants us out of their country so they can kill us on our land

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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2006, 04:47:41 AM »
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... a little ethnic cleansing.  Ugly but necessary.


...VIVA LA DEMOCRACY!!!
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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2006, 07:03:31 AM »
Every day I read that XX people were killed in a bombing.  Every single day.

If that isn't civil war what the heck is it?
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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2006, 07:27:04 AM »
"If that isn't civil war what the heck is it?"

 Why it's the mainstream media deliberately putting a "spin" on the pitifull few negative actions of just a few thugs and ruffeons!


(not!)  It's just about wide open civil war.

 But as some would have us believe good ole Bush & Co, Inc. have deliberately done this so that the Iraqis would wage their civil war there rather than here in our cities.

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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2006, 07:47:37 AM »
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But as some would have us believe good ole Bush & Co, Inc. have deliberately done this so that the Iraqis would wage their civil war there rather than here in our cities.


lol

So THAT'S the latest is it?

I'm curious to know how many Iraqis have died since the last Iraq War.  How many?  I don't care if they are insurgents, Sunnis, *****es...whatever.

The reason I ask is that currently Sadaam is on trial for executing over 140 *****es.  More than 140 Iraqis must have been killed in less than a month based upon my morning scan of Yahoo news.

The most recent argument that the US is in Iraq to save the poor Iraqis from a tyrant like Sadaam is losing any sense of reality.
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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2006, 08:31:28 AM »
C'mon Curval, you're not in the right spirit here... IT'S FOR THE DEMOCRASSY you idjit! :D
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