Iraqi Civil war

[john9001]

Originally posted by Thrawn
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Aren't you familiar with the wiretapping scandal?  If you don't pay any attention to the news you will never know what rights you have or haven't lost. [/B]

how do you know they were listening to me, i thought they only wiretapped calls from al kida or canadians.

as a side note, the govt would be very bored listening to my phone calls.

me> hi si , hows the weather in pa?

sis> cold , hows the weather in fla?

me>warm.

sis> when are you coming up here?

me> may,early june.

sis. well the dog misses you.

etc etc etc


-----------------------------------as i said , tell me what rights i have lost, or do you just want to rant on about how much you hate america and boosh.


i really get tired of your BS

[Dowding]

...while many of the new converts to Islam (such as Muriel Degalque of Belgium) are being actively recruited by groups like AQ.

Many? As in most? As in majority? Your contention is that of 40,000 people, tens of thousands are being pursued by Al Queda?

Calling BS on this one. Yet again, unquallified supposition based on extrapolated, exaggerated, isolated anecdote is slipped into a wall of text.

Seagoonism spotting. It's the new word search game.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by john9001
how do you know they were listening to me, i thought they only wiretapped calls from al kida or canadians.

Don't see how it matters, he still ordered the wiretapping of American citizens without a warrent, which you are supposed to have right be protected from.  If he had a reasonable reason to wiretap someone, he could have got a warrent.

-----------------------------------as i said , tell me what rights i have lost,

Do you have the right to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure?  Not according to Bush.

Do you have the right to habeus corpus.  Again, not according to Bush vis a vis the Jose Padilla case.

or do you just want to rant on about how much you hate america and boosh.

I'm not ranting, I'm explaining my arguement.  You on the other hand appear to be plugging your ears and yelling, "No it's not.  No it's not.".  While not refuting my arguements at all.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by john9001
dear mr storch
could you or mr tdrbr tell what civil rights i have lost, as i wish to e-mail my congressmen to see if i can have them restored.
thank you.

This could be you.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Do you have the right to habeus corpus.  Again, not according to Bush vis a vis the Jose Padilla case.
 

AFAIK, every court decision with regards to Padilla so far has upheld the government's position.

So, how does this translate into "EveeeL Boosh depriving Padilla of his right to habeus corpus"?

The courts have sided with Eveel Boosh every time, haven't they?

[Seagoon]

Hi Dowding,

Originally posted by Dowding
Many? As in most? As in majority? Your contention is that of 40,000 people, tens of thousands are being pursued by Al Queda?

Calling BS on this one. Yet again, unquallified supposition based on extrapolated, exaggerated, isolated anecdote is slipped into a wall of text.

Seagoonism spotting. It's the new word search game.

No not many as in most, or even a majority, I assure you I would have used those words if I meant that. Many as in substantially more than within the community of say those who convert to Buddhism. This is not a Seagoonism, its something that is acknowledged and worried about by international law enforcement.

"At a conference marking the anniversary of the Madrid atrocity last week, Robert Leiken of Washington's Nixon Center presented a provocative study of 373 radical Muslim terrorists arrested or killed in Europe and the United States from 1993 through 2004. His conclusion: some 87 percent are from immigrant backgrounds, but 41 percent are Western nationals, either naturalized, second generation or converts to Islam. "More French nationals were arrested than nationals of Pakistan and Yemen combined," says Leiken. While homegrown Muslim terrorists have so far been rare in the United States, in Europe they virtually recruit themselves, and Leiken points out that those who have European passports have almost open access to American territory through an ongoing visa-waiver program."

From: Newsweek Article "Jihad Express" which details the growing number of Jihadis recruited from Europe.

In 2005 AQ released the following warning on the internet:

"Al Qaeda's new soldiers were born in Europe of European and Christian parents. They studied in your schools. They prayed in your churches and attended Sunday mass. They drank alcohol, ate pork and oppressed Muslims, but al-Qaeda has embraced them so they have converted to Islam in secret and absorbed the philosophy of al-Qaeda and swore to take up arms after their brothers."

- SEAGOON

[storch]

Originally posted by Sandman
This could be you.

that has been me several times over since the hurricanes hit we have been doing an increased amount of volume and the deposits at our bank reflect this increased business volume.  in the first few months our accounts were basically frozen for up to a week at a time.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Toad
AFAIK, every court decision with regards to Padilla so far has upheld the government's position.

So, how does this translate into "EveeeL Boosh depriving Padilla of his right to habeus corpus"?

The courts have sided with Eveel Boosh every time, haven't they?

If this were true, Padilla wouldn''t have been arraigned.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by storch
that has been me several times over since the hurricanes hit we have been doing an increased amount of volume and the deposits at our bank reflect this increased business volume.  in the first few months our accounts were basically frozen for up to a week at a time.

It has to make you angry.

[storch]

Originally posted by Sandman
It has to make you angry.

it made me bounce checks, something I never do.  it made me embarrassed it made me concerned for our national way of life it concerns me for our children and grandchildren.  I think that what we have known and taken for granted as being uniquely Americans is going the way of the passenger pidgeon.

[Toad]

Well, Sandy, what motions that Padilla's lawyers filed have been granted by the Supreme Court? The won a few in the lower courts but what did they win at the SC on the appeals.

[Rolex]

I don't think you need to create a sarcastic interpretation of someone else's words, then put them inside quotation marks, Toad. It degrades the value of your opinion and the merits of the discussion.

Where does all this sarcasm and cynicism come from? Do people actually talk like this to each other every day? I stopped watching US TV a few years ago, is that where it comes from?

Buddhism is a philosophy and not a religion, since there is no holy book written by men who claim to have spoken to, or understand God's purpose or thinking. No miracles, no supernatural, no evangelism, no recruiting, no cult-like idol worship, no interpretations, no scary threats by God, no theme parks, etc.

Seagoon actually has brought up a point (by accident) that provides a basis for understanding the widening canyon between Islamic and western cultures. Christianity is segmented and divided into more factions, with concrete differences in belief and purpose. Catholics and a hundred flavors of Protestant Christianity, some divided by flags of nations. There are Christian churches in America who think that there is an "American Christianity," of all things.

Islam has Mecca and more uniformity (even with the differences in Iraq) and Muslims simply take their religion more seriously (and daily) than Christians, overall.

I do have a question for you, Seagoon. It's a loaded question, I'll admit. It's loaded because, quite frankly, evangalism and evangalists make me cringe. I'm sure it's not the first time you've heard that, so it's not a shock.

When were you naturalized as an American citizen? I'll tell you why I ask it after you answer, because I may be making a wrong assumption without the answer, and I don't want to do that.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Rolex
I don't think you need to create a sarcastic interpretation of someone else's words, then put them inside quotation marks, Toad. It degrades the value of your opinion and the merits of the discussion.

Where does all this sarcasm and cynicism come from? Do people actually talk like this to each other every day? I stopped watching US TV a few years ago, is that where it comes from?

It's a characterization of the faction that finds Bush at fault for everything. Much as there was a faction that found Clinton at fault for everything. It's not a particular sarcastic interpretation of anyone else's words in this thread. In effect, it's shorthand for an oft heard and lengthy position.

Had I intended to quote someone, I would have used the BBS convention for doing so, as I did above with your post.

I don't feel cynical about it though; more resigned to it than anything.

[Nash]

"Characterization," is sometimes helpful. It can paint a quick and easy picture of your subject.

The problem is that you're not characterizing the subject - you're characterizing the people here discussing the subject.

Thrawn says: "Do you have the right to habeus corpus. Again, not according to Bush vis a vis the Jose Padilla case."

Fair enough question. Your reply?

"So, how does this translate into "EveeeL Boosh depriving Padilla of his right to habeus corpus?"

Way to go....

As far as I can remember, "Bush is teh evil" entered the lexicon here through Funked about, oh, four or five years ago. And as far as I can remember, nobody (your so-called factions) has ever actually said "Bush is evil."

A tired way of dismissing someone, and a wholey innacurate means to do so.

[Rolex]

Fair enough.

I've started blaming Nixon for everything lately, myself. A lot of heads nod with approval.