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« Reply #90 on: March 02, 2006, 09:25:46 PM »
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Well, Sandy, what motions that Padilla's lawyers filed have been granted by the Supreme Court? The won a few in the lower courts but what did they win at the SC on the appeals.


The Supreme Court hasn't heard the case yet.

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« Reply #91 on: March 02, 2006, 10:43:43 PM »
A: Lower Court rulings on defense motions have made it to the SC.

B: I'm characterizing a position. Twist it as you like.
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« Reply #92 on: March 02, 2006, 10:46:36 PM »
Hello Rolex,

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Buddhism is a philosophy and not a religion, since there is no holy book written by men who claim to have spoken to, or understand God's purpose or thinking. No miracles, no supernatural, no evangelism, no recruiting, no cult-like idol worship, no interpretations, no scary threats by God, no theme parks, etc.

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I do have a question for you, Seagoon. It's a loaded question, I'll admit. It's loaded because, quite frankly, evangalism and evangalists make me cringe. I'm sure it's not the first time you've heard that, so it's not a shock. :)

When were you naturalized as an American citizen? I'll tell you why I ask it after you answer, because I may be making a wrong assumption without the answer, and I don't want to do that.


Thank you for asking, I still haven't been naturalized as a citizen of the USA. In order to submit my final paperwork I have to drive all the way to Charlotte and back to get my Biometrics done again.

I hope you won't mind if I touch on the Buddhist question, as it is another religion I dabbled with, and you'll find Buddhism listed in any listing of world religions.

Buddhism does have authoratative scriptures, and the various sects of Buddhism have their own scriptures which some of the other sects regard as non-authoratative. The greatest divide in this regard being between Theravada Buddhists and Mahayana Buddhists (the Theravadans do not accept the Mahayana suttras as authentic teachings of Buddha). In any event the main scriptures of Buddhism known collectively as the Tripitaka are the Sutra Pitaka, the Vinaya Pitaka, and the Abhidharma Pitaka. Tibetan Buddhism is the most hybrid and distinctive of the various Buddhist faiths and has its own scriptures not generally recognized by non-Tibetan Buddhists.

In any event, Buddhism has ordained clergy (Monks and Nuns), and a path to enlightenment (Nirvana) by following the noble eightfold path spelled out by Buddha, they also believe in supernatural creatures (the devas) and have a system of ethics based on five precepts. Most countries that are majority Buddhist view it as their national religion and several such as Sri-Lanka have either passed or are working on laws attempting to disuade conversion. For instance in Sri Lanka the Buddhist Jathika Hela Urumaya (JHU or National Heritage Party) attempted to introduce an ammendment that would prohibit converting Buddhists to other religions and which prohibited the “spreading other forms of worship among the Buddhists.” There have been several attacks on churches, many lead by Monks, in Sri Lanka over the past few years. So yes, even Buddhists are capable of "religious violence."*

It's almost like sin is a universal problem, eh?

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« Reply #93 on: March 02, 2006, 10:55:23 PM »
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B: I'm characterizing a position. Twist it as you like.

You are twisting a position. Characterize it as you like.
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« Reply #94 on: March 03, 2006, 12:13:22 AM »
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it made me bounce checks, something I never do.  it made me embarrassed it made me concerned for our national way of life it concerns me for our children and grandchildren.  I think that what we have known and taken for granted as being uniquely Americans is going the way of the passenger pidgeon.


As long as it doesnt happen to john9001, everything is hunkydory, get with the program storch.

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« Reply #95 on: March 03, 2006, 12:35:02 AM »
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A: Lower Court rulings on defense motions have made it to the SC.

B: I'm characterizing a position. Twist it as you like.



Accuse me of being dumb, but I'm not consciencously trying to twist anything.  Forgive me if I don't understand the lower court, or Supreme Court rulings have to do with the the facts that Jose Padilla, a US citizen, was imprisoned for over 3 1/2 years before being arraigned, nor allowed to communicate with his attorney for almost 2 years?

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« Reply #96 on: March 03, 2006, 01:07:59 AM »
Hi Seagoon, and thanks for the answer. Agree about our universal problem(s). Regardless of our choices to classify Buddhism, you'd have to admit that it is rather benign. :)

Okay, on to the citizenship. I can't find what I was searching for, so I'll have to skip it and let this thread get back to it's rightful, uh, you know... stuff. Cheers and good luck with getting your citizenship.

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« Reply #97 on: March 03, 2006, 01:32:35 AM »
Buddhism was a philosopy based on a set of observable principles that people, for some wierd reason, construed into mysticism and idol worship and religion.

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« Reply #98 on: March 03, 2006, 02:13:03 AM »
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Buddhism was a philosopy based on a set of observable principles that people, for some wierd reason, construed into mysticism and idol worship and religion.



Might have something to do with reincarnation and chi.  Both things that haven't been proven to exist.  So yeah, I would say there is definately religious and mystical aspects to buddhism.  

Unless you got a chiometer somewhere.  ;)
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« Reply #99 on: March 03, 2006, 02:18:45 AM »
Reincarnation, as well as karma are observable. The problem isn't reincarnation, it's that people misunderstood this to mean an unobservable type of reincarnation. We all become different living creatures after we die, that's an observable fact.

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« Reply #100 on: March 03, 2006, 02:43:31 AM »
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Reincarnation, as well as karma are observable. The problem isn't reincarnation, it's that people misunderstood this to mean an unobservable type of reincarnation.  We all become different living creatures after we die, that's an observable fact.



Yet strangely I don't think I've ever seen any peer reviewed scientific experiments which prove it.  Then again, I guess I haven't really looked for them.  Can you reference one?

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« Reply #101 on: March 03, 2006, 03:43:41 AM »
Your being facetious. That's rude.

In our language today recycle would be a word more readily absorbed as a word for observable reincarnation.

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« Reply #102 on: March 03, 2006, 03:56:01 AM »
So the conservation of matter and energy = reincarnation?

I didn't know that Siddhartha was a physicist. (sorry for the facetiousness of that)
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« Reply #103 on: March 03, 2006, 06:20:11 AM »
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You are twisting a position. Characterize it as you like.



Decent twist on that by you; probably not a gold medal twist though.
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« Reply #104 on: March 03, 2006, 06:27:27 AM »
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Forgive me if I don't understand the lower court, or Supreme Court rulings have to do with the the facts that Jose Padilla, a US citizen, was imprisoned for over 3 1/2 years before being arraigned, nor allowed to communicate with his attorney for almost 2 years?


He was held as an enemy combatant starting June 9, 2002.

On June 11, 2002 his attorney, Donna Newman, filed Habeas Corpus against George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and Commander M.A. Marr.

It worked its way up to the SC where it was ruled that the initial case was improperly filed.

Refiled, 4th Circuit reverses a lower court decision to release him.

Etc., etc., etc.

Padilla's case has been going through the legal mill since two days after they arrested him.
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