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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2006, 05:44:51 PM »
hehe, just took a brief look into the DA. one kid upped, fired away at an unsuspecting victim and hit himself via KS. the kids instant reaction:
"F****NG SHOOT ME AGIAN WITHOUT PERMISSION AND SEE WHUT HAPPEN" (original quote)

that alone was worth this months 14.95 :D
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2006, 06:07:07 PM »
I agree with Pooface. Kill shooter is no way to slove the problem. When the MA turns to crud my squadies and I sometimes like to go to the DA for a little intersquad king of the hill. Now that can't happen.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2006, 06:17:10 PM »
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Now that can't happen.


Sure it can happen... Just divide the squad. When I flew with the Ghosts, we would divide the squad, half Rook, half Knit and meet in between bases for a brawl. I found that better as you can identify the enemy by icon color rather than trying to read names while maneuvering. We even split the squad 3 ways on occasion.

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2006, 06:19:38 PM »
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Sure it can happen... Just divide the squad. When I flew with the Ghosts, we would divide the squad, half Rook, half Knit and meet in between bases for a brawl. I found that better as you can identify the enemy by icon color rather than trying to read names while maneuvering. We even split the squad 3 ways on occasion.

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yeah, it works well like that...


but there won't be any fast fights anymore, and certainly no chance of a check 6 from cherry picking teens. it will cut the problem down, but i still think a few mods would be better. but, HT has his reasons, and this is better than nothing i guess.

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2006, 06:30:49 PM »
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Sure it can happen... Just divide the squad.
No it can't. He said king of the hill. koth is everyone being able to shoot down anyone.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2006, 07:42:19 PM »
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No it can't. He said king of the hill. koth is everyone being able to shoot down anyone.


You're right. However, you can continue splitting until down to two, but that's time consuming.

I never cared much for squad koth events because you know who is who at a glance. I preferred split squads as you didn't know who you were fighting by simply reading the icon.

Several Trainers volunteered to moderate the DA when time permitted. However, anything taking away from Training time was not a good thing.

As it is, rarely does a evening go by that some youngster misbehaves badly and is ejected from the TA. My concern has always been that they simply log into the DA and continue being buttheads there. I've been thinking that an ejection from the TA probably should also prevent their logging into any arena except the MA until their "time out" expires (usually an hour).

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2006, 08:48:27 PM »
I was thinking that the mod for the DA should have a special Huri IIc to own the dweebs with. It should never need fuel or ammo, can't take damage and fly as fast as an La-7. Then the dweeb should get this message.

SYSTEM: Vulch again and I'll own you a second time.

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2006, 09:51:57 PM »
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hehehe, you BK's would never leave you own base lol:lol


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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2006, 10:00:42 PM »
I was just in there. Was hilarious to watch all the kiddies blow themselves up and start yelling at anyone and everyone:rofl

I will say however it is a bit of pain for those who want to fight.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2006, 10:17:10 PM »
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I was just in there. Was hilarious to watch all the kiddies blow themselves up and start yelling at anyone and everyone:rofl

I will say however it is a bit of pain for those who want to fight.


Someone changing countries and flying half a grid is is a pain?

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2006, 10:40:52 PM »
HiTech sure screwed the pooch big time on this one.  Whether anyone realizes it or not, they have just punished EVERYONE to solve a problem they don't seem want to spend the effort on to solve properly.  Even after all of the discussion and suggestions about this subject.

Let me count the ways turing on the kill shooter is bad.
1. I now have to spend 80-90% of my time in the DA either waiting for, or traveling to a fight.  Thank you, but I don't especially want to fly to another base for a duel.  I can do that in the MA all day long.  Don't need a mini-MA.
2. In many cases, it isn't going to be a duel as I expect every dweeb near by is gonna "jump" on the red icon as soon as I appear.  Again, I've got that in the MA, why do I need it here.
3. If I want a true one-on-on duel, I have to spend the time trying guess who's engaged or who isn't from a distance, then IM people to try to make an "appointment" for a duel.  More time wasted for what I can do in the MA - i.e. "200: Hey, you and I at quiet base A120.  Me the Niki. Be there or be square."
4. If I want to give or get ACM pointers, carry on a discussion I've changeg my Vox channel or try to get them on mine.  Not too big a deal, unless I wanted to stay in comm with my squaddies or someone else.  And pain and time waster..
5. Finally (for now) Squad practises will be much more difficult to set up as I have in the past.  Opponents will have to be in another country, Vox confusion again.  Harder to organize and manage.  Another pain and time waster.

This solution has just changed the aggravation, and ruined the DA instead of fixing, or at least, improving the situation a little.
I go into the DA often to GET AWAY from the MA.  I like being able to immediately up an aircraft and then start a duel with someone.  No waiting, no hassle.  With this that is all gone.  Not gonna waste more time flying around open countryside.  MA requires it.  DA shouldn't.

What should HiTech do?
At a minimum...
1. Canvas the veteran community and come up with the standard rules of engagement we fly by in there, and then post them in the MOTD, JUST AS THEY DO IN THE TA TODAY!  Really a tough one there.
2. Ask for additional veteran volunteers to be "DA observers" that may or may not have ejection priveleges.
3. Publicly provide the guidelines for punishment of offenders, i.e.
1st time, ejection from DA for 24 hours,
2nd time, suspension from AH for 48 hours.  
3rd time, loss of account and black listing of credit card holder AND IPAddress.
4. Restrict two week trial members to the TA and MA until they start paying.  Part of the training in the TA should include the instruction of the DA, its use and rules.

There are more supporting ideas out there, but these would be more than a step in the right direction.  The idea is NOT to eliminate the possiblity of anyone vulching or engaging in bad behavior.  As the current solution shows, you can only "guarantee" security by eliminating freedom -- from everyone!
The idea is to put in reponsible measures to encourage the correct behavior and for those few who are either initially ignorant or just socially terminal, provide a means of recognition and reporting the offenders, and when necessary punishment.
This will not 'solve' the problem such that we will never see another teenie-dweeb-vulcher-cherrypicker, but should help us to prevent many from even getting started, and bringing it to an acceptable level.  We can then have the DA as most of us like to enjoy it.
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2006, 10:43:27 PM »
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Sure it can happen... Just divide the squad. When I flew with the Ghosts, we would divide the squad, half Rook, half Knit and meet in between bases for a brawl. I found that better as you can identify the enemy by icon color rather than trying to read names while maneuvering. We even split the squad 3 ways on occasion.

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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2006, 10:48:37 PM »
5 mins to Fly 12 miles in a fighter? What are we dueling Sbds?
shouldnt take more than 2.5 maybe 3 mins tops.

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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2006, 10:55:17 PM »
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HiTech sure screwed the pooch big time on this one.  Lot of words, more words, more words, too many words. Still more words!


Jesus :eek: Lighten up, Francis. If you're as committed to all of this stuff as you say you are, you'll find a way to overcome this towering obstacle.

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2006, 11:05:25 PM »
Seems like a bummer to me... My squad was in there for 2 hours last night dueling each other, we were all on one team so we could see who we were fighting.. We do that a lot for practice.

Not once did anyone even approach our sector to ruin our fun.

I dunno, it seems to me that anytime I go into DA and get away from Base #1 I never have any problems.  I'm sorry this got switched again, its going to mess up some of our squad stuff.
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