Author Topic: CZ-52 Pistol.. Fun! (Read 803 times)

Hangtime · « **on:** March 04, 2006, 10:10:12 AM »

An interesting lil piece of hand artillery... The CZ-52 is a has unique single action auto that incorporates a three-position safety-decocker system. In fully lowered position the pistol is ready to fire, in the middle position is the "safe" mode. The firing pin design looks similar to Walther's firing pin block system. Pushing the safety to its fully up position de-***** the piece.

The slide is a roller-locking mechanism that looks a whole lot like the HK 91/G3 rifles.. This system utilizes two rollers that recess into the sides of the chamber and are pushed into recesses on the slide by a cam that is held in place by pressure from the recoil spring.

Unlike lock breech systems such as the 1911, the roller-locking system's barrel does not tilt, rather recoiling straight back. This minimizes the muzzle flip characteristic quite a bit. The damn thing is VERY accurate and can put up a very fast rate of accurate fire..

The ammo's pretty interesting too.. looks like lil rifle slugs in lil necked cases. It's .30cal (7.62x25) and the cheapo FMJ it eats gets launched at about 1700FPS and the muzzel energy is in the 525 ft lbs range. Whoof. Very fast.. fmj ammo tends to puch thru cover very well, it's rumored to be able to chop through class III body armor. Not willing to test that myself...

Soft points are available from Sellier & Belloit. probably be a better pick for 'soft' targets.

Firing pin is the weak point, originals wern't heat treated so they snapped if dry fired.. upgraded mine with a stainless one, no problems yet. I've got a nice 'inside the pants' nylon holster for a colt commander.. fits it perfectly. It's a 'big' pistol, just a mite smaller than a 1911, about the same mass. Feels good in the hand, points up just like a 1911.

These things are mil-surp commie (czech) from the early 50's, and can be had for under 200 bucks in arsenal refurb condition.. (mine was 175, delivered) An outstanding piece of hand artillery, remarkably accurate and a very strong hitter.

lazs2 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2006, 10:28:54 AM »

Yep... fun pistol to shoot. Have you tried a Makarov yet?

lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2006, 10:32:47 AM »

Nope.. bought this one because of the price. They tell me the Mak is pretty similar; just 'better'. I dunno how to evaluate that comment. Seems the CZ hits hard, fast and accurately; only thing that would intrest me more would be smaller, lighter and cheaper.

TPIguy · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2006, 10:36:26 AM »

ya 52's are alot of fun. I picked one up for $89 about 2 years ago. Its become a little project for me.

extended compesated barrel
firing pin w/ safety eliminator
1911 adjutable rear sight (not installed yet)
half done set of target grips

It needs a new recoil spring because it throws brass about 30-40 feet. Making reloading prettymuch impossible.

I haven't worked on it in a long time. I guess just too many projects at once.

Maverick · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2006, 11:02:02 AM »

In a choice between that pistol and a Mak, I'd go with the mac every time. It's not an issue with the quality of the weapon it's an ammo choice. I don't really care for bottleneck shells in a self shucking handgun and I have no doubt I will be able to find mak ammo just about anywhere for some time to come.

Nilsen · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2006, 11:05:39 AM »

I think I have fired that gun too. I tried alot of commie pistols and rifles one week in 1995 and that one looks familar.

culero · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2006, 11:23:14 AM »

Wow, cool tip, I like.

I'm ignorant of Makarovs as well. What ammo do they use, and what's its characteristics?

culero

Mister ED · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2006, 11:25:04 AM »

Did you kow the Torkoff round is also harmonically balenced?

It shatters Kavlar, and was made years before kavlar was invented.

I have a stockpile of old Sovblc ammo. Ive broken a few kevlar sheets with it.

OH yeah they also made a cute sub-machinegun what uses the same round.

Hangtime · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2006, 11:55:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
I don't really care for bottleneck shells in a self shucking handgun

Why? I've run 200 rounds thru this thing, not one mis-feed or failure to fire. And that was crap commie martyr albanian fmj. I suppose the brand name stuff would be better... but at a 0% feed and fire failure rate (to date) doesn't lead me down the path of worrying about brass or ammo engineering issues.

I'd think that a bottleneck shell and chamber would be inherently more accurate in comparison to a straight case/chamber? yes/ no?

..trying to find a logic for the 'bottleneck' gripe. Extraction? Jams?

Maverick · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2006, 12:08:27 PM »

Hang,

I look at the situation from a handloaders perspective. Bottlenecks in handguns tend to be more dificult to reload without case stretching, headspace problems due to overlength cases or collapsing the case reforming the shoulder. A straight wall case can also be resized without lubing it using a carbide die.

Some of it depends on where the case is headspace regulated, at the case mouth like a straightwall case or at the bottleneck like rifle cases. The stuck or ruptured cases are also a problem that may happen from time to time. In short, I like the simplest design for something that has a serious use to it. Straight walls are a better option in low powered cartridges like handguns IMO.

I also look for ammo and case availability. I figure the supply of bottleneck cases will dry up before too long. The mak, since it is pretty much the same as a .380 will be no problem in the future. I base this on the old .30 cal broomhandle mauser experiance. The Mauser was designed with the bottleneck cartridge, high velocity but low bullet weight. The 9mm versions can still be fired cheaply as the ammo is plentifull. The same can't be said for the Mauser bottleneck shells. Once the old stockpiles of ammo are gone the cost will go up fairlu dramatically.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2006, 12:26:58 PM »

3-4 years ago I was flying with a Russian guy, big russian dude supposely ex-"Red Army". An another pilot just bought a Makarov, and was showing it to us.

The Russian guy said "ah ah ... Makarov ... Piece of **** Makarov".
Then he lifted his shirt and we could see 7 bullets impacts on his left side.

Hangtime · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2006, 12:50:04 PM »

Thanks Mav! Makes perfect sense. I often miss 'reload issues' in my logic train.. because I just don't reload and have no intentions (currently) on starting to. Just no space for the equipment. I have a friend that reloads, he does the ammo for me when we do 'challenge' marksmanship stuff with the rifles.

The nice thing about a 'cheap' pistol is the lack of remorse when yah have to abandon it. Meanwhile, as long as it is accurate and reliable and packs a massive whallop... I'm happy.

Hangtime · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2006, 12:53:41 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
3-4 years ago I was flying with a Russian guy, big russian dude supposely ex-"Red Army". An another pilot just bought a Makarov, and was showing it to us.

The Russian guy said "ah ah ... Makarov ... Piece of **** Makarov".
Then he lifted his shirt and we could see 7 bullets impacts on his left side.

Holy ****!! Henh. Cripes. 7?? damn.

Just goes ta show yah, Russians are hard to kill.

TPIguy · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2006, 06:25:54 PM »

while reloading for 7.62x25 is a bit of a pain. You can always make new brass from .223 brass.

There is an article floating around the web somewhere with the specifics. Its doable but rather a lot of work.

Toad · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2006, 09:20:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Holy ****!! Henh. Cripes. 7?? damn.

Just goes ta show yah, Russians are hard to kill.

Or it could be that 9x18 ain't much of an anti-personnel round. MV = 315 ME = 306