Why the fuss over the HO

[Kurt]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
thre have been alot of times Ive found myself in a HO position without intending on getting there

Thats not an HO, thats a mistake.  You want freedom to make mistakes.

HO can only happen on the initial pass, it is when two aircraft deliberately line up and fly directly at each other until one dies.

HO is NOT when you get shot in the face after 3 turns of a fight.  Thats called good gunnery.  

If I'm already turning and burning with you and the one opportunity that presents itself is your face, yes, I will take that shot every time.  Thats not an HO.  Thats you screwing up.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Kurt


Then you didn't read what I wrote... You read what you expected me to mean.


Thats not an HO, thats a mistake.  You want freedom to make mistakes.

HO can only happen on the initial pass, it is when two aircraft deliberately line up and fly directly at each other until one dies.

HO is NOT when you get shot in the face after 3 turns of a fight.  Thats called good gunnery.  

If I'm already turning and burning with you and the one opportunity that presents itself is your face, yes, I will take that shot every time.  Thats not an HO.  Thats you screwing up.

I read exactly what you wrote and based and expected you to mean what you wrote in relation to your initial responce.

Ho's cannot happen only on the initial pass. That claim is outright BS.
An HO shot is any faceshot where your nose is pointed directly at my nose and you shoot reguardless of how you got there.
Thats not me screwing up. its you picking a lame and easy way out of a situation you cant find an answer to.

And I didnt call you a dweeb. I insunuated  a paticular style I see as a form of dweebery.
But based on your last responce I may reconsider that statement.

Read "if the shoe fits..."

[nirvana]

I take every shot I get.  Mostly because I never know when the next one is going to come floating by.  You don't like it?  Pull the trigger as well, then you at least have a chance.  If i watch you go flying past me missing a wing, or on fire, I am going to laugh.  If I see you get on ch. 200 and rant about it, then it's your problem.

[Gryphons]

If an enemy is in my cone of fire or passing through my cone I pull the trigger.  If I find myself in an ememy's cone of fire or passing through it I take evasive and hopefully unpredictable action. That's pure common sense.  That being said i will HO if the enemy has an advantage over me(ie. alt, e, better turning abilty if i'm on the deck and can't go vertical)  HOing can also be useful against planes that present a large target but have a norrow cone of fire like the P-38.  Come in on a p-38 at approx 25-35 degree's relative to it's nose and it usually results in the p-38 receiving a bullet to the face or a flaming engine. Just remember its the dead who usually complain on 200

[Kurt]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK

Ho's cannot happen only on the initial pass. That claim is outright BS.
An HO shot is any faceshot where your nose is pointed directly at my nose and you shoot reguardless of how you got there.
Thats not me screwing up. its you picking a lame and easy way out of a situation you cant find an answer to.

Um, But I did find an answer.  One you didn't like.

I'm sorry sir, but we disagree at a fundamental level.  3 turns into a fight you can not cry HO.  thats just pansy.  I worked for the solution and the solution ended up being the front half of your plane.  So sorry.

I can in some limited way understand crying about getting HO'ed in the merge (even though a little yank on the stick will foil a long run HO any day of the week), but saying that several turns in to the fight the front of your plane is magically protected by some chivralous code of honor is nothing more than the side effect of your college drug use coming back to haunt you in your old age.

Even when our squad duels in DA, the rule is, after the first pass, all bets are off.  Everyone I've ever dueled uses that same rule of thumb, first pass is merge, everything else is fighting.  I often, but not always apply that rule in the main arena.  Sometimes I will do a real live first pass HO, but its only for very specific reasons (such as I'm severly out numbered and I need to thin the herd).

More often though, I will avoid that first pass HO.  After that... Game on, sorry if you don't like it.

I'm deeply sorry that you're going to be offended if that happens someday... But, I will take that shot anyhow.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Kurt
Um, But I did find an answer.  One you didn't like.

I'm sorry sir, but we disagree at a fundamental level.  3 turns into a fight you can not cry HO.  thats just pansy.  I worked for the solution and the solution ended up being the front half of your plane.  So sorry.

I can in some limited way understand crying about getting HO'ed in the merge (even though a little yank on the stick will foil a long run HO any day of the week), but saying that several turns in to the fight the front of your plane is magically protected by some chivralous code of honor is nothing more than the side effect of your college drug use coming back to haunt you in your old age.

Even when our squad duels in DA, the rule is, after the first pass, all bets are off.  Everyone I've ever dueled uses that same rule of thumb, first pass is merge, everything else is fighting.  I often, but not always apply that rule in the main arena.  Sometimes I will do a real live first pass HO, but its only for very specific reasons (such as I'm severly out numbered and I need to thin the herd).

More often though, I will avoid that first pass HO.  After that... Game on, sorry if you don't like it.

I'm deeply sorry that you're going to be offended if that happens someday... But, I will take that shot anyhow.

Sorry, I should have said. You couldnt find another answer.

Unless largly outnumbered. I dont even take that shot that you refer to and even then only rarely and usually only when fired upon in that manner first.

You fly as you like.
Your going to anyhow

[Kurt]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Unless largly outnumbered. I dont even take that shot that you refer to and even then only rarely and usually only when fired upon in that manner first.

I'm sure you know that in 1942, you would have died first out of any squad due to your adherance to a code of honor that no pilot in history has employed.

But, You fly as you like.
Your going to anyhow.

And if that hypothetical situation occurs in the game and I kill you with that snap shot and I notice in the buffer it was you.. you'll get a just the same.  More likely you'll kill me anyhow... But just hypothetically...

But I'll never understand why you decided to die rather than fight.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by Kurt
But I'll never understand why you decided to die rather than fight.

I think some consider HOing as not fighting. They consider fighting to be twisting and turning till you get behind the bad guy and shoot. I find that while doing this however, all the enemies buddies come in and gang you. So like I stated earlier, I HO every chance I get. I don't have time to be honorable and allow their friends to gang me while I'm using my awesome ACMs.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by SuperDud
I think some consider HOing as not fighting. They consider fighting to be twisting and turning till you get behind the bad guy and shoot. I find that while doing this however, all the enemies buddies come in and gang you. So like I stated earlier, I HO every chance I get. I don't have time to be honorable and allow their friends to gang me while I'm using my awesome ACMs.

If your awesome ACM's are letting you get overwhelmed by the drooling gang-banging nitwits, they ain't that awesome.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
If your awesome ACM's are letting you get overwhelmed by the drooling gang-banging nitwits, they ain't that awesome.

Yeah because I'm sure you do great in 5 to 1 odds:aok

[Naytch]

Originally posted by Donzo
Who, exactly, are you to dictate how others should spend their time in this "game"?

We've all seen the pretty ACM pictures showing the "merge".  It's always two planes coming right at each other.  Along with that goes the concept of vertical and/or horizontal seperation.
If you decide to stay in the 12 o'clock position of the enemy fighter, shame on you.  You gambled and you may have lost.

The most obvious and logical option would be to not position yourself for a potential HO.  So maybe by allowing the opportunity for a HO to occur, YOU are not promoting "good fights".

Dude, thread asked why ppl whine about the ho, that's my answer. Who are YOU to jump to the conclution that I am whining on getting ho'd?

[Naytch]

Originally posted by NAVCAD
BLAH BLAH BLAH....Yadda, Yadda, Yadda......

Same song and dance...IT'S A GAME FOLKS!!!!!!WE all pay our 14.95 to HTC, we all play to his or her own talents.  Some GV, some dogfight, some bomb, some try a little of everything (and excell in nothing..LOL).  

The simple fact is that we are PLAYING A GAME!!!

HOing gets agrevating, sure, but so does getting your a@@ waxed everytime in a dogfight, or your turret shot out by a single 30MM from a Huri.

If you don't like the game play....then don't play:o

Also, don't criticize someone elses play because it doesn't fit YOUR style of play.

I get aggrevated all the time, just like everyone else, but I'm not going to tell YOU how YOU should play the game.

Also, alot of the people that whine on 200 have WAY too much caffine in their diet and should really consider decaff...

"Not a surmun...Just a thought"


NAVCAD

p.s.  OK uncap the guns....ready for the inevitable backlash...LMFAO

Exellent post there man

Edit: xmarine had a good answer as well

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by KTM520guy
I'm not one to HO myself. That tactic just doesn't work for me. I just don't understand why people cry about so much. The age of chivalry is long since past. This a WWII based sim. The point is to make the other guy dead and take his dirt.

I'm not crying, i don't remember the last time i was killed in an HO.

but then, i always avoid them, so i wouldnt expect such a poor tactic to get me angry.

If i do on the odd occasion get blatantly HO'ed, ill wait to see who it was.

If its a noob then ill send him a salute, was probably within his first 20 killls evar.

If its a vet that i know should do better, I'll laugh at him/her and clearly state my feelings on 200. Not cry about it, just laugh that so-an-so has been reduced to this level.

[wipass]

In the main arena you expect to get HO's.

But in an event it's pretty lame, in my first and last Friday night event it was me in a Spit XIV versus a 190, a 109 and a 110 and the 110 goes for the head on surprise susprise, what a wnker

wipass

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by wipass
In the main arena you expect to get HO's.

But in an event it's pretty lame, in my first and last Friday night event it was me in a Spit XIV versus a 190, a 109 and a 110 and the 110 goes for the head on surprise susprise, what a wnker

wipass

Heh.  If I get this right,  you're in a Spit 14 and you're outraged that a 110 took a head-on shot at you?

- oldman