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« on: March 14, 2006, 08:34:17 AM »
When I was in Qatar last week, the mood seemed to be one of pondering over not whether America will attack Iran, but when, with some people thinking it could be imminent. Having already opened one very large Pandora’s Box next door in Iraq, is the time right to open another? And what are the real reasons behind it?

History is not short of examples of US military intervention resulting in an ignominious disaster – Bay of Pigs, Viet Nam, the abortive rescue of the ~50 hostages being held in Iran – (as compared with the slick operation of Britain’s SAS to liberate the Iranian embassy in London) and now Iraq, where more than 2000 US service personnel have died since the campaign began and there's no end in sight.

The public was told that the whole case for going to war was the presence of WMD in Iraq, and that weapons could be deployed against Western interests in as little as 45 minutes. As we now know, this was all a tissue of lies, as no WMD has ever been found. So what was the real reason for the invasion? A great many people thought it was “all about oil”, indeed the anti-war protesters carried banners bearing the caption “No War for Oil”. In his book, “The End of Oil”, Paul Roberts notes that upon entering Iraq, the US military secured key oil installations. Was this to prevent Saddam from torching his own wells, as he did in 1991? If so, was this because of concerns about global warming, or was it because of the potential ecological disaster and the impact it would have on the wildlife in that region? It must be one of these two reasons, and there can be no other explanation. The fact that America’s consumption of oil is 25% of total world oil output which, at more than 20m barrels a day is three times as much as the second largest oil consumer, China, is of course a red herring which should be discounted. :aok

I must admit to having a few concerns about flying out to Qatar last week, and did searches on newspaper websites looking for tensions in Qatar. All I could find was that they’ve removed Danish products from their supermarket shelves. So why would Bush want to bomb the Al Jazeera radio station in Qatar  which was built with a $150m grant from the Emir of Qatar? (Story here: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651765,00.html ) I mean it’s just a radio station, right? What happened to the right to freedom of speech, as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the US Constitution, which begins “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;” ??? Presumably, the follow up would be a military presence in Qatar, which all sounds a bit heavy handed, until one remembers that in these twilight years of oil, the natural gas reserves in tiny little Qatar are the third largest in the world, and are nearly five times as large as those in the United States. But how silly of me to even hint that the US might invade a country to plunder its wealth of energy reserves. We know that would never be on the cards. :aok

Which brings us to back to Iran - is the proposal to get tough with Iran because of its aspirations to become a nuclear power? Oh well, at least Iran admits an interest in developing nukes. But the US military is going to end up being spread so thinly that any military initiative might not be viable. With support for the Bush administration at an all time low, would it get away with starting a new war so soon after Iraq, particularly in view of the absence of any WMD which was the whole case for going to war in the first place, and with recruitment into the military now in free fall as would-be applicants wise up to what may be their fate? And even if the answer is yes, is this the real reason for taking a tough line with Iran? It may be worth remembering that Iran has the second largest natural gas reserves in the world, more than five times the size of the gas reserves in the United States. But how silly of me to even hint that the US might invade a country to plunder its wealth of energy reserves. We know that would never be on the cards. :aok

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2006, 08:52:19 AM »
I will save yall some time. Beetle, here are the responsses you'll be getting (albeit cut short).

STFU NOOB TRAITORD NEVAR FORGEET!!!111
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2006, 08:59:29 AM »
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I will save yall some time. Beetle, here are the responsses you'll be getting (albeit cut short).

STFU NOOB TRAITORD NEVAR FORGEET!!!111


Nope... it will turn into a boeing vs airbus thread with the real emphasis on how much the eurofighter sucks compared to tactical nukular strike on a mosque in Moscow. Boroda will ofcorse deny all posibility on that because Stalin said so.

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 09:01:33 AM »
This has to be the most self indulgant well crafted and thus most pathetic troll ever - I mean why even waste your time - especially from a guy who pats himself on the back so much about traveliung the world.

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 09:06:30 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
This has to be the most self indulgant well crafted and thus most pathetic troll ever - I mean why even waste your time - especially from a guy who pats himself on the back so much about traveliung the world.


Bartender. A beer for the truthfull man in the corner if you will. :rofl
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2006, 09:09:25 AM »
bomb London

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2006, 09:10:04 AM »
"Between 1966 and 1975, the Royal Navy, primarily, conducted one of the more unusual blockades of modern history—a maritime-intercept operation that became known as the “Beira patrol.” The Royal Navy and Air Force monitored shipping in the Mozambique Channel in an attempt to ensure that no oil reached landlocked Southern Rhodesia (today Zimbabwe) via the port of Beira, in the Portuguese colony of Mozambique. Although the military executed these operations skillfully, Britain’s overall oil embargo against Rhodesia, which had unilaterally declared its independence in 1965, failed. Well aware of oil “seepage” to Rhodesia, London did not (and could not) extend maritime interception operations to other ports in Mozambique or elsewhere."
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Makes one wonder what the real reason behind this was , huh?

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The Beira patrol originated from a dispute between the United Kingdom and its increasingly rebellious colony, Rhodesia. In 1964, the two northern portions of the colonial Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland achieved independence as black majority–controlled states—Malawi (once Nyasaland) in July and Zambia (the former Northern Rhodesia) in October. London anticipated that the whites of Southern Rhodesia, who controlled the colony although they constituted a small minority of its population, would attempt to preempt the domestic and international pressure for black-majority rule by establishing Southern Rhodesia as a white-controlled state.
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Oh the shame. The horror. Now cry me a river sweetcheeks. :rofl
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2006, 09:13:46 AM »
It's all about  gun control.

There, Lasz should be in shortly to round out the thread.;)

Really Beetle, you oughta know better. You need stinkier bait and a bigger line.

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2006, 09:15:23 AM »
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This has to be the most self indulgant well crafted and thus most pathetic troll ever  
So what do you call this?

WGACA

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2006, 09:41:16 AM »
Beetle, i will explain:

It is perfectly acceptable to repeatedly insult a country as long as it's not the mighty USoA.

there, I said it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2006, 09:44:08 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2006, 09:53:00 AM »
Beet...think you'll ever manage to sing any tune other than this one?

I mean really...it's dull already.

And you'd better update yourself with today's news...seems the WMD thing isn't quite so mindlessly simplistic as you need it to be to suit yourself.  I certainly don't have a direct link to the truth like you do, but seems the matter ain't black & white after all.

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2006, 09:58:14 AM »
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Beet...think you'll ever manage to sing any tune other than this one?

I mean really...it's dull already.
Quid Pro Quo. I didn't notice you complaining in THIS  thread.

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2006, 10:06:02 AM »
You guys lighten up and don`t be so hard on the boy. I mean after all , it`s a difficult and puzzling time when you are going through changes. The decisions are "A mind boggling thing". (Sorry Bo. I borrowed that one :))
This week he has been having trouble deciding what color turban to get. Next week, by the way things look, it may be a beret decision. Who knows? :rofl
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2006, 10:08:26 AM »
I'm amazed that you guys got beet1e to admit he was trolling.