Author Topic: New ENY gripe (Read 5982 times)

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #105 on:** March 27, 2006, 09:10:37 AM »

Simple solution to all your ENY gripes:

No ENY limit: P47N or usually P47D40

Light ENY limit: P47D40 and D25

Heavy ENY limit: P47D11

now quit whining and learn to fly the beast.

The 'Brazilian' is in fashion this season.

dedalos · « **Reply #106 on:** March 27, 2006, 09:35:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Pieper
Ok guys!.....

Dont let this thread die. I've heard alot of good ideas, and it seems to me I'm not the only one(by far) that belives ENY dosent work as a side ballancer. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said take ENY out of the game, but I think many of us agree I plain and simple dosent ballance sides. It never has and never will on its own. We need something else to keep it even. I'm personally tired of being limited by it. I've been a Rook ever since I started 3 years ago and will never change sides. Sure I can fly whatever when ENY is in effect and kill Bish or nits easy. But the point is that if it truly worked It would hardly ever be in effect.

By the wat HiTech.....the day is coming soon where we have more than 750 players in game at one time. What you gonna do?

~~Pieper~~

Two things. First change countries. It is hard to put anything in place that will balance sides, when people say they will never change countries. How is it going to get balanced? Ohhh, wait, I got it, you want someone else to change. So, you are asking for something to be put in place that will effect the others but not you. HT will get right on it.

Killing Nits and Bish easy? I've seen you fly. You could not killshoot yourself unless you are in a hord. So, becareful what you ask for. If the sides do balance, youwill not have the hord or as big of a hord to flt with and vulch people.

JMFJ · « **Reply #107 on:** March 27, 2006, 10:07:33 AM »

When the rooks have 100+ at one point 150 more players than knights and bish, I really don't feel sorry for the eny factor. That's pretty rediculous when 600+ guys are on-line and rooks have 275 of them (almost half).

But hey everyone wants to be on a winning team.

JMFJ

Alky · « **Reply #108 on:** March 27, 2006, 11:25:22 AM »

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Originally posted by JMFJ
Nobaddy- when was AH a 4 country game?

JMFJ

HT did Warbirds, that used to be (still is?) 4 countries. I played it for a while a few years ago... this is much better

tedrbr · « **Reply #109 on:** March 27, 2006, 12:19:25 PM »

The case I'd make is that it really draws out the end of a map far too long.....
ENY for Rooks was over 24 last night before flip. We were having trouble lifting most _bombers_ in that range. It was ridiculous trying to put a mission together with any decent planes at all.

I can see the need....but last night was a bit too extreme an example of ENY in action.

tedrbr · « **Reply #110 on:** March 27, 2006, 12:22:05 PM »

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Originally posted by JMFJ
When the rooks have 100+ at one point 150 more players than knights and bish, I really don't feel sorry for the eny factor. That's pretty rediculous when 600+ guys are on-line and rooks have 275 of them (almost half).

But hey everyone wants to be on a winning team.

JMFJ

Well...if everybloodybody didn't switch bloody teams there right at the end of every bloody map every bloody time....... don't think it'd be an issue at all.....

Lye-El · « **Reply #111 on:** March 27, 2006, 02:25:10 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr

I can see the need....but last night was a bit too extreme an example of ENY in action.

Wasn't strong enough from my point of view.

SlapShot · « **Reply #112 on:** March 27, 2006, 02:36:10 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr
The case I'd make is that it really draws out the end of a map far too long.....
ENY for Rooks was over 24 last night before flip. We were having trouble lifting most _bombers_ in that range. It was ridiculous trying to put a mission together with any decent planes at all.

I can see the need....but last night was a bit too extreme an example of ENY in action.

Yeah ... a horde of P-47-D11s loaded to the gills is nothing more than a buch of pesky gnats ... easily swatted out of the sky ...

If you were to gather 10 P-47-D11s, 10 P-51-Bs, 10 P-38-Gs, and a couple of goons and NOT capture a base ... then there is something really wrong ... and it would have nothing to do with the hardware that was on hand.

At ENY 24 ... there is still too much great hardware available in the hanger ... no sympathy at all.

Gato · « **Reply #113 on:** March 27, 2006, 02:40:47 PM »

I don't understand why a few people seem to belittle people who see problems! If everything was just as it should/could be, then nobody would be posting about it. The fact that there are post after post after post shows something.

Open our minds, if you can find them!

The ENY was put in because HT saw the problems! Okay, it helps, but is NOT the end all to the problem! Maybe a change IS needed. The idea of charging perks to change sides is a good one, but not every time. Why not have it a free 1 change per map and a total of 3 per month? Any more and you have to "pay" for it. Then you can still jump from side to side to side all you want and use up the perks you get for all those vulches and cherry picks.

Just because some people don't see a problem doesn't mean there isn't one. Try and look at all side of a question first. I can see what a few are saying about wanting to change sides all the time. That is what they like, but there are a lot of people who will stay where they are, for one reason or another.

The eny IS working, but something must be better. When any one "country" has as many players on as the other two combined, numbers, not the planes makes the difference.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #114 on:** March 27, 2006, 02:48:13 PM »

seriously who doesnt end each tour with at least a few sorties in almost the entire planeset?

you gotta mix it up, your mission tonight will be a fight against hodweebrunning la7s and spit16s, and your ride....the FM2!.

whats this? reserve pilots loggin on? your mission is now to fight that horde with 109Es and P40bs

with any problem anywhere in time, you can either continue to be dissatisfied and debate the subject, or make the best of the 2 hours you log on for with whatever is going on.

Its your choice, but i'm pretty sure the ENY will remain this way for many months to come no matter how much sense there is to an individual argument.

SlapShot · « **Reply #115 on:** March 27, 2006, 02:58:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Gato
I don't understand why a few people seem to belittle people who see problems! If everything was just as it should/could be, then nobody would be posting about it. The fact that there are post after post after post shows something.

Open our minds, if you can find them!

The ENY was put in because HT saw the problems! Okay, it helps, but is NOT the end all to the problem! Maybe a change IS needed. The idea of charging perks to change sides is a good one, but not every time. Why not have it a free 1 change per map and a total of 3 per month? Any more and you have to "pay" for it. Then you can still jump from side to side to side all you want and use up the perks you get for all those vulches and cherry picks.

Just because some people don't see a problem doesn't mean there isn't one. Try and look at all side of a question first. I can see what a few are saying about wanting to change sides all the time. That is what they like, but there are a lot of people who will stay where they are, for one reason or another.

The eny IS working, but something must be better. When any one "country" has as many players on as the other two combined, numbers, not the planes makes the difference.

Good post ... but I think you are guilty as charged.

Did you think that myself and others who do switch sides to try and balance side would get real pissed off due to the fact that we are trying to help but have to PAY for it ... no ... sorry ... but that is not a good idea.

People piss and moan about the ENY cause they are not able to fly the hot rides and by golly they are gonna scream till the cows come home cause they just might have to fly something that is foriegn to them or just might have to fly something that will force them to have to fight instead of flee.

Here ... I got an idea for ya !!!

When ENY goes into effect, if you want to fly a plane that has been disabled by the ENY ... you have to pay perks for it.

Any plane that has been disabled by ENY ... cough up 150 perks to fly it.

Jets and Rockets ... cough up 500 perks to fly it.

That way, you can stay with your precious chess piece country and fly anything you want when you grossly outnumber the other countries ... but ya gotta pay the piper.

SlapShot · « **Reply #116 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:01:09 PM »

Phear the FM2 !!!

Gato · « **Reply #117 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:02:42 PM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
with any problem anywhere in time, you can either continue to be dissatisfied and debate the subject, or make the best of the 2 hours you log on for with whatever is going on.

Its your choice, but i'm pretty sure the ENY will remain this way for many months to come no matter how much sense there is to an individual argument.

I'm sure you are very right in this last part of your statement. Any change is going to take time. But change will come or things will stagnate. That means it is standing still and if it's not moving, it's dying.

I'm sure most of the resources at HTC are going into CT, but once that is on-line I'm sure they will be hard at work on the MA.

I nice part of these forums is that it gives HTC a glimmer into what the paying customer sees and wants. I also believe that is one of the reasons these BBs are here to begin with.

JMFJ · « **Reply #118 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:02:50 PM »

The ENY seems to only prolong the inevetable loss/map reset. Cause a 6 to 1 in no matter what the plane is still 6 to 1. Even in crappy planes a # imbalance will still more times than not overwhelm the target, it just takes longer.

JMFJ

SlapShot · « **Reply #119 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:04:39 PM »

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Originally posted by JMFJ
The ENY seems to only prolong the inevetable loss/map reset. Cause a 6 to 1 in no matter what the plane is still 6 to 1. Even in crappy planes a # imbalance will still more times than not overwhelm the target, it just takes longer.

JMFJ

6 FM2s will dispatch you quicker than 6 P-51s ... no doubt.