Author Topic: New ENY gripe (Read 4839 times)

Pieper · « **on:** March 20, 2006, 12:16:24 AM »

All fellow airmen....

I just have a small statement to make.

Now that side evening has been in effect for a long time and I have been studying it, I see that it dosent work.
If you will take time to listen instead of turning your nose up right away, I will explain.

I have flown for one country since I joined this game. Never swaping sides. When I started...we won some...we lost some. No biggie.
Now that the eny is goin strong, it seems the same except that when we are wining I suffer by not being able to fly what I want.

In shot, side evening dosent work.....The people that change sides to always be on the winning team still do so, and it seems always will.

Henceforth I pose a question..... If I stick with my country through the bad, why should I have to change to the loosing country when we are doin good to be able to do what I want in the plane I want?

For some of us its a matter of loyalty....to the squad we are in....to the fellow countrymen we fly with every day.

When I'm loosing...I can except that. But why.....when we fight ourselves out of a hole, should I have to except being downgraded to a high eny plane just because some other players want to come over and win reset points? They dont even care what they have to fly...They lookin for points on my team when they dont belong there and high eny planes give them even more.

I truly think more consideration should be given to the side swaping rule. Mabye leave eny in, but consider not letting people change to the winning country any time they feel like it, collecting points.....then moving on the next mourning, on their primary country puttin us back in the hole.

I propose that some sort of side swaping rule be put into effect so this stops.

~~Pieper~~

OOZ662 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2006, 12:38:42 AM »

I'm pretty sure you can only change countries every 12 hours. I think it used to be 24 hours. If this were extended, I think it would help without causing too much disruption in people's lives. I'm one who never changes countries though, so I'm not very representative.

I've never seen ENY limits go over 8 myself. That only disables the perked planes, the LA-7, and maybe 3 fighters below those. I haven't really looked myself, being one who flies Yak-9Ts, Mossies, and IL-2s. Really screws with the GVers though; disabling the Tiger and leaving them without any heavy armor.

eagl · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:40:40 AM »

How about making the ENY limits only apply to people who have swapped sides in the last 7 days?

Morpheus · « **Reply #3 on:** March 20, 2006, 04:26:21 AM »

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New ENY gripe

New you say? What's "new" about it?

Schatzi · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2006, 04:53:49 AM »

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Originally posted by eagl
How about making the ENY limits only apply to people who have swapped sides in the last 7 days?

Well, im afraid people would just swap sides to avoid ENY then. Easy: Change when you log off, then change back when you come on the next day, and you never betray your chess piece loyalty.

BTW, i think country time limit is 6 hours currently.

Still too long in my book, but i understand the need for that limit - yesterday i was Knight all afternoon (*heavily* outnumbered, so ENY was a real relief for us), swtiched to rook later when numbers were more even, to fly with a friend. 4 Hours later i was unable to find a fight because of the Rook horde that had logged on again - unfortunatly i had to log, since i was 2 hours away from a sideswitch....

Edit: On the ENY thing.... it was overboards yesterday. I agree. But so were the numbers: Rook 103, Bish 78, Knight 40....... I mean - COME ON, we needed all the advantages we could get. At one point we had two Bish fighters helping us CAP a rook base - >S< and thank you for that, was much appreciated.

Pieper · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2006, 05:00:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus

New you say? What's "new" about it?

whats new about it is that we've been living with it for over a year in its original form......I just think that it might need some modification.

eagl · « **Reply #6 on:** March 20, 2006, 05:01:13 AM »

If people were swapping sides to avoid ENY, then that would be perfect, balancing the arena as intended. And the old-timers and squad players who pick a country and stay with it wouldn't get hurt by all the side changers who always just switch to whoever's winning.

I guess I don't see what's wrong with what you said Schatzi... If they switch sides, they get whacked by ENY if their country is being handicapped due to imbalance. Switching sides prior to logging out doesn't do anything but ensure that they'll always be vulnerable to the ENY the next time they log back in. The only way they can avoid the ENY penalty is to either fly for the outnumbered side or not switch sides for more than a week. As soon as they switch sides though, they become vulnerable again. I propose making it at least 7 days so people who play only one day a week can't game the system. Call it the homesteading ENY penalty exemption

Pieper · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2006, 05:09:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Schatzi
Well, im afraid people would just swap sides to avoid ENY then. Easy: Change when you log off, then change back when you come on the next day, and you never betray your chess piece loyalty.

BTW, i think country time limit is 6 hours currently.

Still too long in my book, but i understand the need for that limit - yesterday i was Knight all afternoon (*heavily* outnumbered, so ENY was a real relief for us), swtiched to rook later when numbers were more even, to fly with a friend. 4 Hours later i was unable to find a fight because of the Rook horde that had logged on again - unfortunatly i had to log, since i was 2 hours away from a sideswitch....

Edit: On the ENY thing.... it was overboards yesterday. I agree. But so were the numbers: Rook 103, Bish 78, Knight 40....... I mean - COME ON, we needed all the advantages we could get. At one point we had two Bish fighters helping us CAP a rook base - >S< and thank you for that, was much appreciated.

Precisely my point......you think all those people were loyal Rooks?

Alot of them were people just wanting to fight on the winning side....I think the side swaping time should be longer to fix this.

On an average primetime day...when countrys are even...the numbers are even. Its only when one country gets a clear advantage that their numbers grow because of side swaping......so in effect eny dosent phase these people. The side swaping crowd just wants to horde like you said.
Personally, I dont want them with me.

Pieper · « **Reply #8 on:** March 20, 2006, 05:21:49 AM »

Heres another idea....

At the beginning of the map you get to choose your country....any you like but the only way you can leave is if your country has the highest numbers in or out of the game. Until all sides even.

Schatzi · « **Reply #9 on:** March 20, 2006, 05:30:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Pieper
Heres another idea....

At the beginning of the map you get to choose your country....any you like but the only way you can leave is if your country has the highest numbers in or out of the game. Until all sides even.

Well, im sorry, but that would definitly disrupt the gameplay for people that have no "chess piece loyalty".

Harshly put it would mean: "So I cant fly with the people i want to because you dont want to fly low ENY planes".

Now i know thats not what you mean, but im afraid that how many a whine will take it.

When i was still in 71Sqn and flying Knit permanently, i hated those times as well. No good fight anywhere, just green masses. Now, i just change to the country with the lowest number/bases and get gangbanged

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NHawk · « **Reply #10 on:** March 20, 2006, 06:02:51 AM »

IMHO.... This is and always will be a two fold argument. The ability to change countries at the drop of a hat allows ENY to limit plane usage.

My only suggestion to fix this is to perk changing countries. Make it the same as the perk bonus if a country wins the war.... 25 perks across the board.

This would stop people from changing countries just for the perk points. It would allow movement for those who just like to move every now and then. It would stabilize the teams somewhat, and it would limit the people who change countries to spy on CV locations. And it's a reasonable amount.

New players would have the option of changing countries three times during their trial period at no charge. After that, they must spend their perks to change countries.

Edit...

The 25 perks across the board might be a bit much but it's a suggestion. It could be 25 perks from one category that the player could select. Or it could be 25 perks from each of two categories.

The point is make changing countries cost something. If you were a pilot and changed countries in the middle of the war you most likely would have lost everything you own, so this is a minor inconvenience from my point of view.

Schatzi · « **Reply #11 on:** March 20, 2006, 06:20:03 AM »

That sounds like a good idea NHawk. I guess it could work. I wouldnt mind a few perkies for a switch.

Morpheus · « **Reply #12 on:** March 20, 2006, 06:30:03 AM »

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For some of us its a matter of loyalty....to the squad we are in....to the fellow countrymen we fly with every day.

Then it looks to me like this is not a problem of ENY. Rather, the problem is that you and your squad are too stubborn to switch it up, and try out the other countries. This is a game, ok. There is no father land. There will be no burnings of bodies in any town squares. The men in black suits will not come and take you and your family away to a slave camp... if you switch sides.

Oh yeah.

Schatzi · « **Reply #13 on:** March 20, 2006, 06:34:29 AM »

Morph, just because you and I switch country regularly, that doesnt mean that everyone does it. Some people have a different approach to game and "loyalty" for their country. They have the same right to staying in their country without having gameplay disrupted as others have to switch country freely. Thats not neccessarily whining. Your comments get old after a while.

Pieper · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2006, 06:39:24 AM »

This thread isnt just about eny.....Its also about side swaping that causes eny.

I genuinely believe this subject needs some attention and I'm sure manny will agree....except for the ones who use an advantage in the war as an oppertunity to horde in one area. These people arent tryin to win the war...but they ruin it for us that are. They also ruin it for those of us just wanting to have fun in certain planes. Last night eny got up to 22....and this has become a normal thing for the country in the lead. I've seen it even higher. Why, when I am fighting the war should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?

If that makes any sence to someone let me know.

~~Pieper~~