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Offline Creton

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« on: March 20, 2006, 05:33:18 PM »
WTG on the adjustments to the 109's.Flaps now deploy at around 200mph or slightly faster.Stall buffet is a little wierd but cool addition to game and over all affect of plane dynamics.
My findings are as follows.

1.Flaps deploy at 200-206mph on 109's
2.109g14 top speed is 353mph at 1300ft.

Great job and thank from one "Luftweenie":D

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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2006, 05:55:54 PM »
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2.109g14 top speed is 353mph at 1300ft.


Pre-Patch G-14 speed tests:

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   AH2 BF 109G-14 level speed tests

    100% Fuel, FBM = .001 (minimum; no fuel burn)

    1 x 1 MG151/2cm 150 rounds

    100ft

    WEP - 350 mph
    MIL - 320 mph

    5000ft

    WEP - 369 mph
    MIL - 340 mph

    10000ft

    WEP - 379 mph
    MIL - 357 mph

    15000ft

    WEP - 388 mph
    MIL - 366 mph

    *16400ft (FTH)

    WEP - 390 mph
    MIL - 370 mph

    20000ft

    WEP - 397 mph
    MIL - 377 mph

    24500ft

    WEP - 388 mph
    MIL - 378 mph



I did a quick Sea level speed test a few mintues ago and achieved:

100ft

    WEP - 356 mph
    MIL - 316 mph

I will do a full set of tests later when I get a chance. One thing though is that the FTH for the G-14 should be 16500 ft and reach around 410-415 mph.

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2006, 06:38:44 PM »
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Originally posted by Bruno
Pre-Patch G-14 speed tests:



I did a quick Sea level speed test a few mintues ago and achieved:

100ft

    WEP - 356 mph
    MIL - 316 mph

I will do a full set of tests later when I get a chance. One thing though is that the FTH for the G-14 should be 16500 ft and reach around 410-415 mph.


I saw the following, flying with 25% fuel, zero burn, WEP.

16k: 405 mph
16.6k: 406 mph
17k: 405 mph
18k: 404 mph
20k: 403 mph
21k: 401 mph
22k: 399 mph
23k 396 mph

The biggest difference is found in a substantial reduction in twitchiness approaching an accelerated stall. I could fly the G-14 to the edge and it wasn't trying to flop on me.

My regards,

Widewing
« Last Edit: March 20, 2006, 06:41:22 PM by Widewing »
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2006, 07:00:34 PM »
I just flew a quick G-14 sortie in the main. While fighting Seafires, F4us, F6Fs and an obb ball niki I killed 5 with the 2cm and landed. The G-14 now pwns like should have from the start.

No more wobbles or floppiness. So much for those that argued that the 109s were correct before the patch.

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2006, 07:34:14 PM »
I just ran a level speed test at 16500ft:

 100% Fuel, FBM = .001 (minimum; no fuel burn)

1 x 1 MG151/2cm 150 rounds

16400ft

WEP - 404 mph
MIL - 370 mph

It is still too slow at FTH... The numbers posted in the original bug report showed a calculated speed of 416 mph. I have seen other sources showing this same top speed. I was expecting more in the range of 410-415 mph...

This patch was an improvement over the original release but it is still not 'correct'.

Also, please add the option for 200 rounds of MG151/2cm for the G-14 and G-6...

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2006, 08:07:47 PM »
They tweaked the "flop"?!?!?! OMG!! MUST DOWNLOAD! [EXEUNT.]

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2006, 08:20:16 PM »
G14 is bad ass.  I feel like I'm cheating.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2006, 08:31:21 PM »
109 fixed? YaaaaaaY!!

Time to play Main Arenas again
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2006, 08:52:55 PM »
It was a long and hard fight....

 
 ... oh what the heck, I'm just happy. :)

 Seems all those testings and arguings weren't in vain.

 Thanks, HT and Pyro.

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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2006, 10:18:09 PM »
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Originally posted by Bruno
I just flew a quick G-14 sortie in the main. While fighting Seafires, F4us, F6Fs and an obb ball niki I killed 5 with the 2cm and landed. The G-14 now pwns like should have from the start.

No more wobbles or floppiness. So much for those that argued that the 109s were correct before the patch.


I found that directional control at low speeds (especially inverted at high AoA) is still poor... the aircraft yaws badly. However, beyond that both the G-14 and K-4 are vastly improved. WTG HTC.

My regards,

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2006, 10:32:35 PM »
The 109 and 190 are now quite competetive; I had a ball in the 190A-8 tonight.

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2006, 12:00:05 AM »
Just tried a quick few sorties to test it out.


 It turns out that the largest benefactors of the new FM change, as was expected, was the 109...

 ...and quite unexpectedly, also the Ki-84..!


 The Ki-84 is DA BOMB now.

 I'm sure many of you guys would remember the discussions on Ki-84s. Most of the people who know how Ki-84s fly agree that its largest weakness, apart from maneuverability loss and disintegrating at high speeds, is that the plane was momentarily very unstable and twitchy just before it entered speeds that allowed its first notch of flaps to be deployed.

 Ofcourse, once the flaps are deployed it can manage super-tight turns unlike any other. However, in order to reach that status the pilot had to go through a temporarily dangerous stage between 185mp~200mph IAS, where the plane became very unstable and 'twitchy' as the 109s were. It was during this phase where other planes had a window of opportunity to outmaneuver a Ki-84 and shoot it down, before the fight entered a stage where the Ki-84 excelled in.


 Well, here's the good news for Ki-84 fans.

 That's all gone.

 You don't need to get all tense and shaky when getting ready to dump E and start lowering flaps. The plane flies crisp and stable right up to the point where the first notch of flaps pop out. No wobbling, no destabilization, no crazy snaprolls. Just throttle back, kick hard rudder, pull stick gently until signs of stall buffeting shows... and voila, the flaps are now ready to be deployed.

 In other words...

 ...the Ki-84 has now officially become the first Axis fighter to join the annointed ranks of the "point-and-click" planes! It has now become bona-fide antidote to Spitfires(turny plane) and P-38s(crazy loopy plane) :D ... as now our Ki-84 is turnier than the Spit and loopier than the P-38!


 Hurrah!
« Last Edit: March 21, 2006, 12:03:11 AM by Kweassa »

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2006, 01:35:17 AM »
The FM change did some interesting things. I played in the AvA areana and kept falling off the edge in the P40. I thought that was just the sound effects that make me misjudge the stall edge, but then I took a zeke and managed to throw it into a wild spin that took 3000 feet to recover.

These are not my usual rides so I need to test it with more familiar planes. Looks good so far.

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2006, 02:44:03 AM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa

 You don't need to get all tense and shaky when getting ready to dump E and start lowering flaps. The plane flies crisp and stable right up to the point where the first notch of flaps pop out. No wobbling, no destabilization, no crazy snaprolls. Just throttle back, kick hard rudder, pull stick gently until signs of stall buffeting shows... and voila, the flaps are now ready to be deployed.

 In other words...

 ...the Ki-84 has now officially become the first Axis fighter to join the annointed ranks of the "point-and-click" planes! It has now become bona-fide antidote to Spitfires(turny plane) and P-38s(crazy loopy plane) :D ... as now our Ki-84 is turnier than the Spit and loopier than the P-38!


 Hurrah!


OH NO! They've ruined the Ki84 for me :(

Now all sissyfire pilots will change rides, it used to be such a fun plane! Not that I ever noticed the problem you are talking about, it was never unstable to me at those speed, only at 50mph was it unstable.

Oh well, can't wait till I get to try out the 109's. Well the Ki84 too but if it has indeed turned into a plane like that I won't be flying it much anymore.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2006, 03:44:46 AM »
How are the 190 and 109 different in FM??  Turn better?  More stable?  Better acceleration?

Thanks