Author Topic: The One Turn 'impossible' reversal explained (films) (Read 1704 times)

B@tfinkV · « **on:** March 21, 2006, 09:39:54 AM »

following up on Badboy's fantastic tutorial for the barrel defence, here is a similar video showing how to perfom this move in a single 'turn'.

How often have you been diving in on a low con thinking 'hehe, this is my kill' only for events to take an unexpected switch and you get the message 'Leviathn shot you down'?

'Impossible!!' you shout 'you turned off my 12 oclk and then within 2 seconds were on me and i was dead'

HACK! i hear you cry!

well, not exactly, i believe Leviathn himself once said 'it is simply a combination of converging geometric events that causes my nose and your tail to converge in the quickest time possible with both parties working to that end' (or something like that).

Well, here it is, your very own tutorial for this fabled move.

Link for tutorial ---------------> http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/reversal_tutorial.wmv

Link for .AHF file --------------> http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/the_perfect_reversal.ahf

now before anyone goes off at me, remember this is for the beginner to intermediate pilot, and in no way is anything new or groundbreaking. Simply a quick and easy tutorial for understanding a move that has forced calls of 'CHEAT' more than any other in the book.

hope it may help some of us.

S!

bat.

Max · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:52:38 AM »

Great film and explanation Batfink. Well done!

Balsy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2006, 10:57:26 AM »

Excellent Batfink!

Balsy

Gooss · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:27:51 AM »

Well done.

Thank you.

HONK!
Gooss

gixxer · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:32:39 AM »

Great movie batfink. It's almost like an Immleman, in that if the con dives, you are committing him to a larger turn radius and large loss of E while you are trading E for alt and have a smaller turn radius.

What do you do if you miss the shot?

Thanks for the tutorial

Gixxer

Krusty · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2006, 12:07:10 PM »

There's a similar variant that is less of a vertical move and more of a horizontal move ("the break then roll back" move) that operates on the same principle.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2006, 01:01:31 PM »

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Originally posted by gixxer

What do you do if you miss the shot?

assuming the enemy has enough energy remaining to out climb you, (if not you can easily follow up the rope and shoot them) personally i would level off, regain a good airspeed, and rinse and repeat. (expecting the second attack to be either alot slower and well planned, or alot faster leading to a level run out, and not risking being shot in the 'zoom' of the attack.)

edit: another possibility after missing the shot (which i would do 90% of the time) would be that the fight runs into rolling scissors and overshoot races.

Lye-El · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:17:58 PM »

Excellent job!

guttboy · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2006, 03:20:03 PM »

VERY WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!:aok

Murdr · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2006, 03:29:49 PM »

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Originally posted by gixxer
What do you do if you miss the shot?

It ain't no thang. Depending on the E differential, you are either better off than when you started, or able to repeat the setup. Here is a film example out of my lesson package on this subject showing several variations on the setup, and not once do I connect with a kill shot, but still end up with the victory. evarev3a.ahf

Bronk · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2006, 04:12:29 PM »

Ya make that look too easy Murdr.
Thanx for the film. I need more narated films like this.

Bronk

FTJR · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2006, 07:37:43 PM »

Batfink, Murdr, thankyou both, nice films.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:35:04 PM »

what murdr says is what probably describes my attempts on the nine out of ten first shot kills i miss, also.

the move is really just a fancy trick, that could get you killed if you misjudge your opponent's speed, or thier experience and aim.

essentially it therefore looks like it is the first move of a forced rolling fight from the possition of being attacked from high6 at the very start 1k seperation, to being co E and more than well off for possition in a matter of 15-20 seconds. But in the MA, you dont find purely fighter pilots, the beauty of so many online competitors in the same room make for what seems like infinite random fights.

The main art of almost any deffencive 'trick shot' is to keep your attacker in the mindset that he is about to kill you for as long as possible, if he doesnt work it out as he sails under you and you complete half the barrel roll then you can tell him whats going on beccause he hopefully has barely 2 seconds to fly after that.

oh, and dont tell anyone.

Murdr · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:31:34 PM »

By the way batfink, very nice job on the narrated wmv film.

Max · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:42:08 PM »

Batfink -

Notwithstanding the great defensive counter-move your film you displayed, what impressed me most was the incredibly accurate gun solution you had on that N1K in the split second opprotunity you had. You and folks like Lev drive me insane with your accuracy. Any suggestions on that aspect?

I've read time and again where it's advised to turn off tarcers, so as to get a better feel for deflection. I've tried that for weeks and it didn't help a bit. I know from offline experience, using lead computing, that I probebly don't allow for enough deflection lead when I squeeze the trigger...the lead X-hairs are always a bit further ahead of the target offline vs. when I'd take tfe shot. Still, I'd appreciate any suggestions you'd to provide.