Author Topic: Christians and end times- Are they here? (Read 3486 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #90 on:** March 27, 2006, 02:46:03 PM »

I didn't say you hate "ALL" christians.... I said that you hate christians. I don't think that anyone who reads what you write would dispute that. You are the one who rephrases what I say to make your arguement sound better so.... It is not me that is lying.

I have been nothing but honest in this whole discussion... trying to pin you down is difficult tho.

Sooo.... do you really believe that the nutjob you quoted is a spokesman for the christian religion? Do you think he represents a large portion of chritians or christian thinking? simple question.

I don't.... I suspect that you are not that dumb either soooo.. How can I not asign a motive to your post?

lazs

Chairboy · « **Reply #91 on:** March 27, 2006, 02:57:53 PM »

Squirm all you want. I've been straight forward and honest, and all I get in return is fabrication from you couched behind your scornful belief that atheism is, by its very nature, somehow illogical.

I don't hate christians. I respect that they have beliefs that differ from mine. I don't think that all christians think that the end times are coming, but I just saw a news report that said something to the effect of 1/3rd to 2/3rds of american christians believe that the apocalypse will happen in their life time, and hey, that's fine. If it's 2/3rds, then I suppose I DO think that, by definition, 'most' believe it.

What I don't like, and what you seem to be confused about, is when christians take their religion and use it to shape public policy to dictate to me and my non-christian neighbors what we can and cannot do.

How can YOU, a fellow opponent of big government, be in favor of special interest groups passing NEW LAWS restricting things? I don't get it, you're either a hypcrite or just not getting it. I'm assuming the latter, because I have no reason to believe you're malicious.

Tell me what my motive is, please, because apparently you have been gifted with a magical ability to see that which is not there. My life would be ever so much simpler if you could tell me what I really thought.

I asked a question, and I explained why I was asking the question. Everything outside of the scope of that is your own creation.

wrag · « **Reply #92 on:** March 27, 2006, 05:59:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Squirm all you want. I've been straight forward and honest, and all I get in return is fabrication from you couched behind your scornful belief that atheism is, by its very nature, somehow illogical.

I don't hate christians. I respect that they have beliefs that differ from mine. I don't think that all christians think that the end times are coming, but I just saw a news report that said something to the effect of 1/3rd to 2/3rds of american christians believe that the apocalypse will happen in their life time, and hey, that's fine. If it's 2/3rds, then I suppose I DO think that, by definition, 'most' believe it.

What I don't like, and what you seem to be confused about, is when christians take their religion and use it to shape public policy to dictate to me and my non-christian neighbors what we can and cannot do.

How can YOU, a fellow opponent of big government, be in favor of special interest groups passing NEW LAWS restricting things? I don't get it, you're either a hypcrite or just not getting it. I'm assuming the latter, because I have no reason to believe you're malicious.

Tell me what my motive is, please, because apparently you have been gifted with a magical ability to see that which is not there. My life would be ever so much simpler if you could tell me what I really thought.

I asked a question, and I explained why I was asking the question. Everything outside of the scope of that is your own creation.

Hmmm...........

If memory serves me correctly Mosaic law has a VERY strong hand in creating what we have as a country and a government?

I must agree with Laz. I've seen it over and over. You don't like christians or the christian belief IMHO. Post after post made by you SEEMS to ATTACK............

Hey what is the big deal? Why all the seeming hostility? To my knowledge there really is very little that you or anyone else needs to fear from christians with a political agenda.

The supreme court is very likely to shoot down anything you would find offensive.

I think we all KNOW the U.S. is NOT going to require anyone to become a christain, or a muslim, or a budhist, or any other such.

So what exactly is driving this .... hmm is it hatered?? perhaps anger??

What exactly has been created, or is being created, that tells you and your neighbors what you can and can't do???????????? PLEASE explain.................

Chairboy · « **Reply #93 on:** March 27, 2006, 06:06:44 PM »

Give me an example of an attack I've made.

Mkaythx

wrag · « **Reply #94 on:** March 27, 2006, 06:22:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Give me an example of an attack I've made.

Mkaythx

No Problem

You will do it for me, I only need to wait. Really don't feel like doing all the look ups of your postings where I've seen it.

I do ask that you remember this thread though.

We'll Git-R-Done

Go ahead and start screamin cop put, or what ever. I only need to wait and watch.

OH and FYI I do believe Laz has said pretty much the same thing. Perhaps others have seen it too?

OOOHHHH and also before I answer your question I have noticed YOU have avoided answering mine............

so again just what is the problem?????????????

Chairboy · « **Reply #95 on:** March 27, 2006, 08:13:48 PM »

Actually, I don't have a problem. And I'm still waiting. I invite you to provide an example, otherwise I'll take that as an admission that you made a mistake.

Toad · « **Reply #96 on:** March 27, 2006, 08:45:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
special interest groups passing NEW LAWS restricting things? I don't get it,

All laws "restrict things". It's what laws do; define limitations.

Further, every law is supported by a "special interest group". Some of these groups are large, some are small, but NO law gets passed without some support from some "special interest group". Somebody has to initiate the drive to get the bill written in the first place.

For example, the First Amendment was put forward by a "special interest group" and it put a restriction on the power of the government.

So your point was?

Chairboy · « **Reply #97 on:** March 27, 2006, 08:56:51 PM »

My point? Look at our law books, they're full of tens of thousands of laws that try to micromanage every little aspect of our lives. We need less laws, not more. Can't think of a new law I've supported in quite a while, the stuff already on the books cover just about everything they need to, but instead of proper enforcement, every politician seems to think that they get paid by the inch (of legislation they pass).

Toad · « **Reply #98 on:** March 27, 2006, 09:02:08 PM »

You belabor the obvious.

However, allow me to rephrase.

How is it that this:

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christians take their religion and use it to shape public policy to dictate to me and my non-christian neighbors what we can and cannot do

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is any different from all the public policy shaping that has gone on the last 200 odd years and resulted in the "thousands of laws that try to micromanage every little aspect of our lives"?

Why do you single out Christians? As I've pointed out, it has ALWAYS been some "special interest group" or other behind all those laws.

What's special?

Chairboy · « **Reply #99 on:** March 27, 2006, 09:12:31 PM »

Because christians are the majority and hold the most sway. If a Scientologist tried to pass legislation mandating that children learn the wacky Xenu+thetans+rocket powered DC-8s+atomic bomb volcano theory of creation in school, I suspect they'd be laughed out of the senate.

But when Christians do it... well, in some states, it's passed.

Also, the groups behind prohibiting science classes from talking about evolution or saying things like "the earth is 5 billion years old" (instead of 6,000 years old) are all self identified as Christian.

That's why I assert that christian interest groups are working to blur (if not erase) the line between personal beliefs and the law.

Toad · « **Reply #100 on:** March 27, 2006, 09:42:17 PM »

So your complaint is that in a Democracy they are a majority? (And I'm not sure Christians really have a majority.)

Uh... in a democracy, do you think the minority should win the votes and pass the laws?

Toad · « **Reply #101 on:** March 27, 2006, 09:44:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
That's why I assert that christian interest groups are working to blur (if not erase) the line between personal beliefs and the law.

BTW, change that to read:

" All special interest groups are working to blur (if not erase) the line between personal beliefs and the law."

And I'd agree.

The Christians are no different than the Pro-Abortionists, Flat-Taxers, Anti-War-ists or any other special interest group you'd care to name in that regard.

Chairboy · « **Reply #102 on:** March 27, 2006, 09:53:26 PM »

Toad: I object when laws are passed based on religion to control others. Our constitution tries to protect us from a theocratic state being formed, but people still try to make it happen.

Do you understand better now? I aim to be clear.

Toad · « **Reply #103 on:** March 27, 2006, 10:17:27 PM »

No, I don't.

You see, the Constitution is also designed to allow the majority to pretty much have their way within the bounds of the Constitution.

That being an unassailable fact, it leads to... the Supreme Court.

Have the dreaded Christians united in that unseemly majority and passed any laws that were found unconstitutional?

If not, no harm, no foul.

If so, then the laws were rendered harmless by the SC.

So I still fail to see your problem.

Chairboy · « **Reply #104 on:** March 27, 2006, 10:24:43 PM »

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Have the dreaded Christians united in that unseemly majority and passed any laws that were found unconstitutional?

You mean, like the 18th amendment?