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Offline Hangtime

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« on: March 23, 2006, 08:07:56 AM »
Rolex brought up something in the Theology thread.. basically; we've screwed the atmosphere, so we're gonna melt.. or something... and the endgame is 20 years off or thereabouts.

As a kickoff, he alluded to the grounding of airtraffic 'worldwide' Sept 11/12 2001 (I thought  just North American flight flight profiles were affected) and the resultant temp change became instantly obvious; therefore all previous warming models were suspect.

The whole thing sounds pretty outlandish.. but that could be filtered spin. I dunno what the facts are... or how to even begin to identify beliveable sources. Certainly, the weather's been pretty whacked the past two seasons.. I CAN believe my own eyes, but then again; there's been some whacked seasonal anomolies in my lifetime before.

Whats the deal?
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2006, 08:18:39 AM »
yep... it is people like beetle who fly around in grossly polluting jets "traveling" as tourists for no other reason than to get drunk and eat at different resteraunts  for a couple of weeks and then go and tell everyone how much it has enriched their lives..

killing the planet just to have a different view from the resteraunt booth...

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2006, 08:20:26 AM »
I think you just broke my troll detector.  The needle flew into the red so fast it just broke off.
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2006, 08:20:40 AM »
lol

The two of you (Hangtime and Lazs) sure seem to let Beet1e get under your skin.:rofl
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2006, 08:28:37 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2006, 08:29:09 AM »
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lol

The two of you (Hangtime and Lazs) sure seem to let Beet1e get under your skin.:rofl


Naw Curval I think Hangtime and Lazs is just trying to help Beet1e with his "anger" issues.  Great Community here, helping each other and all!

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2006, 08:31:43 AM »
Personally I've seen the arguments from both sides and it seems there is still an active ongoing discusssion in the science community  as to who's correct and what is actually going to happen.  People on both sides of the issue are using junk science as well so it's hard to filter out what is fact from fiction.

The fact that the environmentalnazi liberals have gotten involved doesn't make it any easier.  To some of them reguardless of what the outcome they see this as a spring board for their long held environmental issues even sudgesting such issues as mandated population control.  Now I realize that some of these outspoken wackos are just fringe groups but they are vocal enough to cloud the real meat of the issue.

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2006, 08:44:02 AM »
rolex claims that we are becoming a people who simply talk... I am saying that we are becoming a strictly political people who mix politics and science and come up with PC junk science based on what the politicians want to achieve..  scientists are paid to get the "right" results or they don't get on the today show or get that grant money.

Still.... no flights except emergency should be allowed.... tourism is the greatest evil and will be responsible for the deaths of billions.

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2006, 08:59:20 AM »
While I think yer both right (talkers and spin/science) I still don't know what the salient facts (if any) are behind the uproar.

Just what in hell does air traffic have to do with global warming? I mean, fer cripes sake, this planet is freakkin HUGE... to suggest that jet exhaust is what's whackin the atmosphere seems just... ludicrious.

Next.. unless I missed something again, the shutdown in airtraffic supposedly got things warmer... wouldn't that tend to indicate we need MORE air traffic to counteract global warming?

Damn, I gotta be missing some big chunks of info here...  all those years of tuning out the tree huggers has just come round ta bite me.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2006, 09:20:52 AM »
The big effect of airtraffic was immediately obvious to me living under J-80 at the date in question. You'd look up and instead of seeing several bands of contrails streaking E-W, there was nothing but blue skies. Jets create contrails. Contrails provide a non-trivial amount of cloud cover. Clouds reflect sunlight.
This effect has little to do with global warming. The NASA guy whom the administration tried to muzzle was the one pointing out the very close correlation between mean temperature on earth and atmospheric CO2 levels.
Global warming is really gonna screw up civilized living, but it by itself probably won't knock off the human population.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2006, 09:43:36 AM »
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(I thought  just North American flight flight profiles were affected)  
No, the UK shut down its airspace as a precaution too. Good job we did, as it thwarted the attempts by another terror cell who were planning to make a suicide flight from LHR.
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The two of you (Hangtime and Lazs) sure seem to let Beet1e get under your skin.

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2006, 09:46:28 AM »
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This effect has little to do with global warming. The NASA guy whom the administration tried to muzzle was the one pointing out the very close correlation between mean temperature on earth and atmospheric CO2 levels.


I didnt read the entire article on the site but I did see the episode from which it is from.
One particular portion of the program impressed me about him.

And to be fair to both sides. He stated that while the current administration is trying to muzzle him or have him understate the problem he also stated that the Clinton administration tried to get him to overstate the problem.

He is refusing to do either instead stating what his true findings are
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2006, 09:51:53 AM »
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I think you just broke my troll detector.  The needle flew into the red so fast it just broke off.


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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2006, 10:15:36 AM »
Laz,

Is is OK if I continue to be a tourist? I don't fly and I almost never go through more than 250 gallons of diesel a month. I also spend time where we stop and see what the real local folks are like.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2006, 10:27:48 AM »
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I didnt read the entire article on the site but I did see the episode from which it is from.
One particular portion of the program impressed me about him.

And to be fair to both sides. He stated that while the current administration is trying to muzzle him or have him understate the problem he also stated that the Clinton administration tried to get him to overstate the problem.

He is refusing to do either instead stating what his true findings are


Ah! Sounds like I'd like to see this article... got a linky i can clicky?
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