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« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2006, 09:26:47 PM »
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That's exactly it. I took a look at all the Loose Cannons online the past two days. Not one of them is even remotely close to being worth a watermelon in a fighter. ...


I'm not, huh?

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« Reply #76 on: March 29, 2006, 09:31:59 PM »
I have fun flying with them and 96Delta doesnt get all bent outta shape when something doesnt always work out and start blaming others for the missions failure.

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« Reply #77 on: March 29, 2006, 09:48:26 PM »
Zazen, perhaps you're missing the larger picture. There really ARE folks who feel they never will be a fighter pilot nor care if they become one.

For them it's all in the role play of the game. They get up in a bomber, which doesn't require much flight instruction, spend an hour getting to an altitude they feel safe. They can even do it using a mouse. They then proceed on a mission to egg something. Again, not much knowledge required there, right? It's pretty simple to bomb from just about any altitude with pinpoint accuracy. The speeds of most bombers aren't much slower than many of the fighters trying to climb to them and with a  few degrees of nose down they can extend closure rates to the point that they have enemy planes in their sights for 10 seconds or more. Not much aiming required there either, right? If they don't get home that's fine. They got kills they wouldn't have gotten in a fighter. They don't have to spend alot of money a HOTAS stick. They get to bomb targets AND hit them. They can easily find many others to join them so they can attack in groups. Being a rook at too bad for them as they have lotsa other bomber guys who wanna fly with them.

Tell me where you can get that kinda fun for $14.95 a month? Wasn't that the point of the original TOD? To get more folks interested and flying in role play? Isn't this what many people are waiting for so they can come back?

Hey! It worked!!! We now have many more folks coming into the game and soon we'll see the the TOD or Combat Tour (whatever it ends up being called). They come from all backgrounds including numerous FPS and RP games. Bombers ain't so bad for them.

Everyone has their own agenda. For instance, if you look at my scores you'll see I don't do much more than fly around in fighters. I fly with my squad and we have a lot of fun. If you look around FT I don't spend much time there either. I have been there. Do I need a FT? It's nice....That's nice.  I get in fights all the time without FT. I also shoot down a bomber from time to time when the mood hits me. Can I fly a bomber? Sure. Can I man a gun? Sure. Run a GV? Yep. I just happen to like flying around in fighters. That's my thing. I don't ask anyone to fly my way. I do help people who want to learn. Anything, anytime. To the best of my ability.

That happens to be the beauty of a large arena. Many people can get up a few hours of fun and relaxation. They paid to have fun their way. Because they gang up and bomb a field or win a reset doesn't make it the end of the world.  It just mean some folks got together and had some fun doing it. Others might have gotten up to stop them and had fun doing that.

Is the game addicting? Naw. Fun? Yes! If it's not , why are you here? I don't know that many masochists who actually pay to be tortured. Well, maybe after reading some of these boards.....:)

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« Reply #78 on: March 29, 2006, 10:36:43 PM »
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I'm not, huh?


Nope...
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« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2006, 10:45:51 PM »
Ren, no offense intended at all, but I think you've missed the point. They've found the path of least resistance, like many before them, except that this particular group is touting this as the next big thing in AH2. While organization and missions aren't necessarily laughable, claiming that doing the easiest things in AH is somehow innovative or advanced is pretty silly, IMO. Posting on the bbs to demand recognition for it only makes it seem more so.
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« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2006, 10:46:09 PM »
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Zazen, perhaps you're missing the larger picture. There really ARE folks who feel they never will be a fighter pilot nor care if they become one.


Tell me where you can get that kinda fun for $14.95 a month? Wasn't that the point of the original TOD? To get more folks interested and flying in role play? Isn't this what many people are waiting for so they can come back?

Hey! It worked!!! We now have many more folks coming into the game and soon we'll see the the TOD or Combat Tour (whatever it ends up being called). They come from all backgrounds including numerous FPS and RP games. Bombers ain't so bad for them.



Oh, I totally understand that. I appreciate that it is far, far easier to get up in a bomber with little or no experience or skill and feel like you are having an impact on the game (even if it's a negative one). The problem is, as has been stated before, is when you have ALOT of people doing this it has a very detrimental effect on fighter guys on all countries. Hordes of bomber people constantly going to 25-30k in b24's and dropping FHs all across the front lines compounded by the people who do nothing but dive from 25k in P47s and the like to pork fields ruins the fun for everyone else. That is the very definition of fun Nazi. Now, the reverse is not true, fighter jocks do not impede or ruin the game for other classes of players, we just fight each other...This is the problem, this is what we hate, this is what Loose Cannons call innovative and revolutionary. It's not, it's just mass horde porkage, it's been around for 18 years since AW began...

The irony is the Loose Cannons are on Rooks, my team, and they ruin the fun for me and those like me. Before a good fight can really get started they and people like them vulch and pork the field dry and drop FHs. So, this kind of serial rampant toolshedding knows no country boundries it ruins the fun for alot of people for every country including their own...


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« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2006, 10:52:01 PM »
I think hitech purposely put in bombers, formations, bombs, altitude and buildings that blow up.

Honestly, I have never seen so much complaining of what people do together of their own free will in a game they pay monthly for. They have that right to up a bomber or a fighter or a gv and blow stuff up.


This whole elitist fighter jock mentality is disgusting. Its a game with fighters, bombers, gvs, PT boats, CVs, ack guns, etc. People who aren't into turnfighting can hop in a tank. If you don't like flying for a long time in a bomber, up in a Spit and find a fight. I sure as heck ain't gonna listen to some guy on 200 or here on the boards to tell me how to spend my time online in AH. If you want me to stop toolshedding then pay me money.

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Simply put, toolshedders have the ability to negatively affect furballers gameplay but the reverse isn't true.


Toolshedders also hurt other toolshedders. Furballers can also hurt other furballers.

Its a vicious cycle, people complaining about X and complaining about Y. I severely doubt that hitech will make a concession to either side to make things better. It eliminates free choice within the game.

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« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2006, 11:00:48 PM »
Hubsonfire,

I'm not sure I did miss the point. The reason I say it is because
this appears to be exactly what the new Combat Tour was invisioned to be.
Which is get alot of folks up flying doing lotsa different things in a roll playing atmosphere.

Zazen,

The rooks might have a name for it "Loose Cannons" but I watched a large group of our guys pork everything in sight over A48 last night for no good reason. Yes, they were trying to take the field. There was absolutely no need to level the whole field. I was winging with a squadie and as soon as it became apparent what was going on we left and went north.

Just about every old guy who's been doing this for a while knows there aren't a whole lot of new tactics we haven't seen before. I've only been
doing it from 13-14 years or so. Most of the old folks "adjust" their game play and don;t get to excited about anything.

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« Reply #83 on: March 29, 2006, 11:03:39 PM »
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Nope...


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« Reply #84 on: March 29, 2006, 11:05:39 PM »
Do what you want, and as per the griefer mentality I have no doubt if doing what you want ruins the game for the rest of us that will just be  added incentive for you to do it with even greater zeal. What we have a problem with is you toolshedding freaks talking about toolshedding in unison on a large scale as some new age for AH, and a harbringer of some higher form of gameplay. That's a load of crap of the highest order. All you are doing is taking an already extremely easy mode of play (porking), amplifying it by the 20-50 dweebs you can coerce into doing it at a given time and more or less prohibiting real fighting thru mass toolshedding for as long as you can sustain the effort. Why you guys think that behavior deserves some form or recognition or congratulations is beyond me. You may find it fun, the rest of us just find it extremely ghey...

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« Reply #85 on: March 29, 2006, 11:11:15 PM »
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Zazen,

The rooks might have a name for it "Loose Cannons" but I watched a large group of our guys pork everything in sight over A48 last night for no good reason. Yes, they were trying to take the field. There was absolutely no need to level the whole field. I was winging with a squadie and as soon as it became apparent what was going on we left and went north.

Just about every old guy who's been doing this for a while knows there aren't a whole lot of new tactics we haven't seen before. I've only been
doing it from 13-14 years or so. Most of the old folks "adjust" their game play and don;t get to excited about anything.

Best Regards,


Yea, I have no doubt each country has their own 'special' group that does this. I just chose Loose Cannons as my example because of their rediculous public assertion that they are innovative revolutionaries for the "New Age of Toolshedding Porkery" of AH...

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« Reply #86 on: March 29, 2006, 11:14:30 PM »
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... That's a load of crap of the highest order. ...


Uh ... takes one to know one.
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« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2006, 11:18:29 PM »
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... That is the very definition of fun Nazi. ...

... Before a good fight can really get started they and people like them vulch and pork the field dry and drop FHs. ...


Actually, Nazi's are the ones who use wording like "they and people like them."

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« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2006, 12:03:56 AM »
Design your own game then , Zazen.  Or is it the path of least resistance to whine?
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« Reply #89 on: March 30, 2006, 12:41:20 AM »
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Design your own game then , Zazen.  Or is it the path of least resistance to whine?


Actually posting and replying to some of the mindless twits on the BBS is anything but the path of least resistance. I only take the time to post my thoughts and concerns here because I am genuinely interested in doing my part as an active customer  to  make this ever-changing game the best game it can be. Part of this process is pointing out where there are game dynamics that are failing to please and also complimenting and commenting on game dynamics that do succeed in pleasing the portion of the player base I consider myself a part of.

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