US tells automakers to start making more fuel efficient SUVS

[beet1e]

See Rule #5

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
yup,  I'm wondering if the govt is going to suppliment the auto industry with there increased costs due to govt regulations.

You know it.

[Nashwan]

Plastic accounts for about 4% of world oil production.

I have wanted to see a pie chart on oil usage by category/industry...preferably one that wasn't made by Greenpeace

No pie chart, but these are the figures from BP's oil industry report (it covers the entire industry, not just BP)


World (excl former Soviet Union)
Gasolines 31.5%
Middle distillates 36.0%
Fuel oil 11.8%
Others 20.7%

USA
Gasolines 46.0%
Middle distillates 29.7%
Fuel oil 3.9%
Others 20.4%

Middle distilates are diesel, kerosene etc, others includes "refinery gas, LPGs, solvents, petroleum coke, lubricants, bitumen, wax and refinery fuel and loss."

[Reschke]

Wooooooo a big whopping 24mpg. If you want to truly impact the automobile makers then make it a real goal. Tell them to reduce exhaust emissions to zero and the vehicle must travel 400 miles on 15 gallons of whatever type of fuel or less. Then we are actually going to achieve something. Otherwise we aren't going to have a pot to pee in because we will still be dependent on the large oil producing nations. Hybrid vehicles aren't the answer. The answer is in engines that run on other fuels than oil based products.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by beet1e
See Rule #5

Uhhh, beet, the Cafe standard NHTSA did roll back the standard for model year 1986 cars.... from 27.5 mpg to 26 mpg,  Detroit continued to argue for more “relief.” based on the threat of imports replacing domestics.  They also claimed "One year of relief is not enough.” (GM, Ford...Chrylers had met the CAFE standard, spending 5 billion to do so, they were outraged that GM and Ford got  their roll back wish)

The auto industry got its multiple years of relief when NHTSA rolled back the CAFE standard to 26 mpg for model years 1987, 1988, and 1989. When the subject once again reared its head in 1989, jobs found their way back into the anti-fuel economy mix. U.S. Secretary of Transportation Samuel Skinner announced in May 1989 that the four years of CAFE relief were over and reinstated the original 27.5 mpg target.

Big whoop. 1.5 mpg difference.  (rolls eyes here) I'll bet there are a few hundred thousand workers in America thankful for this. I'm sure it pissed the Europeans off to no extent too.

[beet1e]

I can't for the life of me see why my post got clipped, but I don't think it was for the article. So... http://www.frugalmarketing.com/dtb/kennedy.shtml

Big whoop. 1.5 mpg difference. (rolls eyes here) I'll bet there are a few hundred thousand workers in America thankful for this. I'm sure it pissed the Europeans off to no extent too. - Rip

Here's a snip from the article -

According to a recent report by Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute, if the United States had continued to conserve oil at the rate it did in the period from 1976 to 1985, it would no longer have needed Persian Gulf oil after 1985. Had we continued this wise course, we might not have had to fight the Persian Gulf war, and we would have insulated ourselves from price shocks in the international oil market. Fuel efficiency is a sound national energy policy, economic policy and foreign policy all wrapped into one. Every increase of one mile per gallon in auto fuel efficiency yields more oil than is in two Arctic National Wildlife Refuges. An improvement right now of 2.7 miles per gallon would eliminate our need for all Persian Gulf oil!

Think about it in percentage terms, Rip. 2.7 miles per gallon is about 10% for a typical US car these days, and equates to millions of barrels of oil each day. 1.4 million barrels is enough to supply the UK for one week!

[lazs2]

and.... it would supply lower slobovia for 5 years!

Nothing wrong with getting better effieciancy... the new C6 vette gets 26 mpg and has about 525 hp.   but.... it only has two seats... best it can get passenger milage wise is 52.

A lot of the problem with milage is weight.  we have good drivetrains now in the world but safety regulations are mandating more and more weight.   Even seemingly little crapboxes are real porkers these days.

lazs

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by beet1e
I can't for the life of me see why my post got clipped, but I don't think it was for the article. So... http://www.frugalmarketing.com/dtb/kennedy.shtml  Here's a snip from the article -  Think about it in percentage terms, Rip. 2.7 miles per gallon is about 10% for a typical US car these days, and equates to millions of barrels of oil each day. 1.4 million barrels is enough to supply the UK for one week!

Does the UK have any such CAFE program?

Think of what it would be had we NOT had CAFE all together! Be thankful!

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Does the UK have any such CAFE program?

Doesn't need one! Fuel is too damned expensive as it is.

The last Tory government introduced a "fuel price escalator" - the cost of road fuel was supposed to rise each year by 5% above the rate of inflation. Then Blair came to power, and chancellor Gordon (our soon to be PM) started initiating tax increases of his own.

Then came the Peasants' Revolt 2000 (.PDF document). Read this document if you want the facts; skip over it if you just want to troll.

[john9001]

it's easy to reduce the use of gas, just issue ration books like in WW2.

[Holden McGroin]

According to a recent report by Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute, if the United States had continued to conserve oil at the rate it did in the period from 1976 to 1985, it would no longer have needed Persian Gulf oil after 1985.  

Either this is a misquote, or we did not import PG oil in 1985.

By definition, we did conserve oil at the rate we did from 1976 to 1985, so therefore in 1985 we would have achieved what we did in 1985.

The last time domestic production was enough for just the transportation sector usage was the early seventies.  We haven't produced the equivalent of the amount we use since the late 50s.

[dmf]

Originally posted by Reschke
Wooooooo a big whopping 24mpg. If you want to truly impact the automobile makers then make it a real goal. Tell them to reduce exhaust emissions to zero and the vehicle must travel 400 miles on 15 gallons of whatever type of fuel or less. Then we are actually going to achieve something. Otherwise we aren't going to have a pot to pee in because we will still be dependent on the large oil producing nations. Hybrid vehicles aren't the answer. The answer is in engines that run on other fuels than oil based products.

That will never happen, does anybody even consider the auto makers might be in cohoots with the oil companys? (possibility maybe)