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Offline Goomba

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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2006, 01:48:51 PM »
The question might be;

Should the Government be used to legislate good manners?

Everyone should be cognizant of the environment, and the people and the circumstances around them.  But these are personal, subjective decisions about manners and good taste.

I swear quite a bit.  I don't do it in a church or temple, not in a crowded public place (except under my breath), not in the daycare center...I could go on.  Walking down the street, minding my own business...I says, "Damn, but that's one ugly-*** car."   A citation and a fine?  2x? Does that really sound so good to anyone?

Simply put...do you want the government to dictate good manners to you?

I may consider someone a monumental boob and a boor because of their behavior.  I might even call him on it.  But just 'cause I don't like it, doesn't necessarily make me any more right than him, and certainly isn't a good enough reason to give the authorities another reason to interfere.  I agree that unrestrained invective is inapprpriate in certain situations.  I think thats what other regs exist for...to permit the authorities to act when a person cannot take a polite request to maybe "tone it down around the kids".

And a last point...where is the list of "banned" words?  You don't mean to say that you'd like to leave an open door for judgement, right?  You wouldn't want to just take your chances with a local judge to determine whether a particular word is OK today, but maybe not tomorrow?  Blend in all those other non-specific words, and this ordinance look ripe for abuse.  Don't like the kind of tourists that are visiting?  Too much ethnic flavor?  Just send out the cops to ticket people for "engaging in any behavior which is likely to...disrupt the peaceful enjoyment of others".  

Lordy, you could ticket people for laughing too loud!  This is a recipe for abuse.

I, for one, do not need the government in my bedroom, in my TV, in my radio, checking my CD's, watching my internet surfing habits or telling me how to raise my children, or what I can and can't say.

Manners and the law are not compatible, in my opinion.  Why are we so comfortable with a nanny State?

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« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2006, 01:54:17 PM »
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If this is not just smack talk, you realise you would be prosecuted, even in Texas ? Assault, manslaughter, etc, depending of the outcome. And that would be right. Baseball bat can be a deadly weapon. That is the correct response for bad language ?
If my family is being threatened, even verbally, I can defend them, if I have no other option.  No, it is not smack talk.  I do not take kindly to people who would attack my family.
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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2006, 02:20:32 PM »
I have to agree with Skuzz...all bets are off when you mess with family.


Maybe not a bat, though...hard to explain away the weapon vs. words thing.


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« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2006, 02:24:10 PM »
I guess I should put it in perspective.  A bat would be a last line type of deal.  If someone cannot take a hint, a bat is a good reminder to listen next time (its not like they did not see it coming).
Besides, in Texas, not many courts would convict you for defending your family, if it was a last resort type of situation.
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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2006, 03:25:04 PM »
Lol... I suspect that if you used a bat on someone you would be prosecuted unless they were actually in the process of physically harming you or someone else.  

Bu bu bu but JUDGE!  I WARNED him I was goin' to hit him with a bat if he didn't shut up!  What do you MEAN it is still illegal!?

But lets construct a hypothetical situation here... some random guy and a family member of yours are in an argument.  It gets heated, name calling, swearing, etc.  The random guy's dad shows up with a shotgun and tells your family member that if he doesn't stop yelling and leave he is going to shoot your family member.  

Your family member says "Hey, you can't do that", and gets shot.  It is your family member's fault right?  That guy did give fair warning he was going to shoot, after all.

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« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2006, 03:31:19 PM »
well.... the government is a slippery slope.

In the old days... if someone was being obnoxious to women or around children... the townspeople were likely to shoot him or beat him to death...  in the old west women were raped so rarely as to be something that would be talked about for years.   Those not polite were likely to be shot.

When the government steps in and says that they will take care of things thank you and that if you interfere then you will be arrested...

Well.... everything gets all screwed up.   When the government takes away peoples ability to solve problems then....

problems don't get solved.

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« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2006, 03:31:57 PM »
I believe that the use of profanity is just one part of a much bigger issue. That being: As a whole, we have forgotten how people should act in public.

From cell phones in movie theaters, to the non-stop chatter at a child’s choir concert… For the most part, people just don’t have a clue.
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« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2006, 03:45:13 PM »
maybe bigger than that...

We as a people have abdicated our responsibility to enforce good manners or live peacfully and with respect to....  

The government... we simply say.... "don't want to get involved"  "might get in trouble"  "that is what we pay the cops for"   " that is what I/we pay taxes for"

Any of a number of excuses (and they are viable) to get out of doing the right thing.

We can't or won't admit that it isn't working and that govenment can't do a damn thing to make it better.

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« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2006, 03:47:27 PM »
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Was the First Amendment established to protect this type of offensive conduct in public?

The full article can be found here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_on_re_us/age_of_profanity

Regards, Shuckins


Offensive is relative.

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« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2006, 03:51:38 PM »
nope.... offensive is simple... whatever the majority or "a reasonable man" would find offensive is.... offensive.   The people you are around also dictates what is offensive.

Grown male adults on the job have no right to act offended by words for instance..  Add women or children to the mix and it changes what can be said.  

In the former case it may be annoying but hardly offensive.. in the latter...it is offensive and uncalled for.

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« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2006, 04:42:53 PM »
I have to agree with lazs on this one.

And Urchin, there is no point in my responding to your situation.  It is a matter of context and locale.
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« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2006, 05:25:56 PM »
Yeah, it's gotten out of hand.

Remember this little girl?

http://www.nbc.com/Video/videos/snl_1439_natalieraps.shtml

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« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2006, 05:57:01 PM »
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From cell phones in movie theaters, to the non-stop chatter at a child’s choir concert… For the most part, people just don’t have a clue.


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« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2006, 07:23:48 PM »
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nope.... offensive is simple... whatever the majority or "a reasonable man" would find offensive is.... offensive.   The people you are around also dictates what is offensive.

Grown male adults on the job have no right to act offended by words for instance..  Add women or children to the mix and it changes what can be said.  

In the former case it may be annoying but hardly offensive.. in the latter...it is offensive and uncalled for.

lazs


Like I said, its relative. Your opinion is that relevance relates to that of a reasonable man. I personally like to make my own decisions, you can follow the common folks and I'll think for myself.

If West Hollywoods reasonible men decide having a girlfriend is offensive, I hope youre ready to re think who you let decide for you.

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« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2006, 08:26:56 PM »
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You DO agree with him don't you?  Did you agree with his statement that we have no right to not be offended?  



Regards, Shuckins


I'll agree with it. Ther is no right protecting you from being offended anymore then there is a rght protecting you against getting a a sun burn.
If you dont want to risk getting it. dont go outside. Or you go outside and take your chances
And being offended is an individual thing.

Personally foul language doesnt offend me at all.
Orgainisations such as PETA telling me I cant eat meat,wear clothing made from animalsetc.. Or our government drafting legislation granting rights and priveledgesto illegal alians  Does

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