HITech, Please give us a new tank

[Boxboy]

Originally posted by Lye-El
You state you don't like crap. You also state you want the Sherman.

The Sherman IS crap. If you had a Sherman it would be killed by one round. It would also have a difficult time killing a Panzer and the only way for it to kill a Tiger is to be behind it AND be very close.

Depends on the Sherman, the 75 gunned Shermans yes, the 76mm gunned Shermans no, the 17 lber gunned Sherman no.

Both the 76 mm and 17 lber version of the Sherman was capable of killing both the Panzer Aus IV, Panther Aus V, and the Tiger Aug VI.

As for country as Furball requested the 17 lber was a british Sherman, but if I remember correctly the Brit crocodile with the 57mm gun would also kill Tigers and below.

[Gorf]

Okay as much as people are whining aobut US had 7 VHs..blah blah blah.

THis what should be.  Each country should have at LEAst 2 Good solid tanks in the game.  The Germans have the most.  The tanks that the US has couldn't stand up against un-maned john deer tractor.

The main battle tanks are lopsided to the Axis.. the Allies only have one real threat and that is the RUssian one.

To NOT include a Sherman for the US is a slap in the face of History by Hitechcreations.  The Sherman was a GOOD SOLID tank and if ran right could EASLY stand toe to toe with any German tank out there.. AGAIN please continue to read and not let your ego take over... Granted the Sherman tank commander was smarter the then German.. if the German command was on equal skill level the Sherman would lose but even then the loses on the German was high also.

Anyway, if Hitehcreations was on their toes they would of made for each country have at LEAST 2 MAIN BATTLE TANKS.  WEll if the country had 2 anyway..

People are getting tired of having the only REAL tank option of drving a German tank or a Russian.  When it comes to WWII and tank Drvining.. there is 2 names that pop into most people minds.. Panzer.. Sherman

[Brenjen]

I don't really get the part about commander skill level. German soldiers were some of the best trained troops in the history of armed conflict. Hey folks, would an American design redesigned by the Brits kill two birds with one stone?

[Boxboy]

Originally posted by Brenjen
I don't really get the part about commander skill level. German soldiers were some of the best trained troops in the history of armed conflict. Hey folks, would an American design redesigned by the Brits kill two birds with one stone?

Heheh well no, the main strong point for the Sherman was its reliability, it ran well and broke down seldom.  It was never designed as an anti-tank vehicle in the first place but rather an infantry support vehicle (in which roll it performed well).

The facts are that the German, Brit and Russian tank crews were better trained than were the Americans, in fact in some cases guys were pulled out of the infantry line to become American tankers, cause they had some experience driving farm equipment in civilian life.

The other strong point for the Sherman was its numbers (as a guess I would say over 10 to 1 vs any other tank in WWII with the possible exception of the T34)

The later versions (easy 8 for one) could with first shot advantage destroy a Tiger, but usual tactic was to deploy 5 or 6 Shermans vs 1 panzer (panzer being the German word for tank) of any ilk.

[Brenjen]

I think you meant to quote gorf boxboy, replying to me with that quote makes no sense. By the way I think history bears out what you said as fact. I said exactly what you said...now the question I posed.

 Would an American designed tank that was modified by the British fill the role for a U.S. & British tank in the game? I'm thinking specifically of the firefly here.  Anyone, your opinions?

[MOIL]

That's a good point Bren, I think it would. I just happen to like the Firefly (this is a personal choice) not sure it would be the "right" tank to add to the lineup.
There are many possibilities in this area, many good tanks from WWII.

[JMFJ]

I want something that is like a T-34 with a faster reloading time, and a low perk value.

JMFJ

[Boxboy]

Originally posted by Brenjen
I think you meant to quote gorf boxboy, replying to me with that quote makes no sense. By the way I think history bears out what you said as fact. I said exactly what you said...now the question I posed.

 Would an American designed tank that was modified by the British fill the role for a U.S. & British tank in the game? I'm thinking specifically of the firefly here.  Anyone, your opinions?

OOPS you are right

[Arlo]

Meh. All you "uber ist better" lads are completely missing the points why the Shermie is the obvious pick, boyos.

Historical scenario reasons:

1: Every front.

2: Pretty much every allied country had some. Skin those puppies.

3: Tons were made. Variants a plenty. Perkable and non perkable.

Just plain cool reasons:

1: Oddball's take on negative waves.

Oddball: Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
 
Moriarty: Crap!

2: Oddball's occasional retake of negative waves.

Crapgame: Hey, Oddball, this is your moment of glory. And you're chickening out!

Oddball: To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three tigers.

3: Oddball regains some optimism.

Oddball: A Sherman can give you a very nice... edge.

4: Oddball takes a break.

Oddball: Hi, man.

Big Joe: What are you doing?

Oddball: I'm drinking wine and eating cheese, and catching some rays, you know.

Big Joe: What's happening?

Oddball: Well, the tank's broke and they're trying to fix it.

Big Joe: Well, then, why the hell aren't you up there helping them?

Oddball: [chuckles] I only ride 'em, I don't know what makes 'em work.

Big Joe: Christ!

Oddball: Definitely an antisocial type. Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation.

5: Oddball on tactics and strategy

Oddball: We see our role as essentially defensive in nature. While our armies are advancing so fast and everyone's knocking themselves out to be heroes, we are holding ourselves in reserve in case the Krauts mount a counteroffensive which threatens Paris... or maybe even New York. Then we can move in and stop them. But for 1.6 million dollars, we could become heroes for three days.

[CapnMike]

Just plain cool reasons:
1: Oddball's take on negative waves.
Oddball: Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
Moriarty: Crap!
2: Oddball's occasional retake of negative waves.
Crapgame: Hey, Oddball, this is your moment of glory. And you're chickening out!
Oddball: To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three tigers.
3: Oddball regains some optimism.
Oddball: A Sherman can give you a very nice... edge.
4: Oddball takes a break.
Oddball: Hi, man.
Big Joe: What are you doing?
Oddball: I'm drinking wine and eating cheese, and catching some rays, you know.
Big Joe: What's happening?
Oddball: Well, the tank's broke and they're trying to fix it.
Big Joe: Well, then, why the hell aren't you up there helping them?
Oddball: [chuckles] I only ride 'em, I don't know what makes 'em work.
Big Joe: Christ!
Oddball: Definitely an antisocial type. Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation.
5: Oddball on tactics and strategy
Oddball: We see our role as essentially defensive in nature. While our armies are advancing so fast and everyone's knocking themselves out to be heroes, we are holding ourselves in reserve in case the Krauts mount a counteroffensive which threatens Paris... or maybe even New York. Then we can move in and stop them. But for 1.6 million dollars, we could become heroes for three days.
 

Well, that pretty much puts the lid on it as far as I'm concerned! Looks like the Sherman wins out! Hehehe...

Arlo, you slay me...

[SAS_KID]

BRITISH CRUSADER TANK! MUAHAHAHAHA

[passssao]

Well, I always like the jadgPanther, and it is not a bad option against tigers, some in the middle panzer IV and tigers.
The lack of turret, means you always must have the engine started, but also has a low shape, think is a good compromise and looks nice.

Salute all, Passao

[Brenjen]

*bump*

[Arlo]

Originally posted by CapnMike
Arlo, you slay me...

Hiya Cap'n Mike. How's the CTs these days?

Woof! ... that's my other dog imitation.

[Raptor]

I enjoy taking the M-8 and sneaking up on panzers and disabling them with 1 shot (takes about 5 to kill em though).
Give me an M-18 so I can sneak up on tigers!