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Offline Jackal1

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« Reply #150 on: April 11, 2006, 02:14:01 PM »
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"my values"?   really?                                                            


Yes, my values. Mine. A concept that is obvious you have trouble grasping.

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what language do you speak?


Fluent Texican hoss. :)
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« Reply #151 on: April 11, 2006, 02:43:31 PM »
wow curval... so now you think that certified water or wastewater treatment plant operator is a lowly position?  beneath the silver spoon trust fund set set?  I am supossed to take advice from you on prejudice?

Ok tex... nice try on trying to equate not wanting homosexuals to have the same kind of marriage contract as heterosexuals as being..... racial?  did you really do that?  

Nope... marriage is a sexual contract... It is defined as between a man and a woman and certain perverse sexual aberations are not included... incest, pedophilia and bestiality to name a few...  

Homosexuals are not a race and are not excluded.. they can marry under the same rules as anyone else.... man and woman... no incest etc.  They are not excluded because of race or creed or religion... they have excluded themselves... they are more than free to marry... so long as it is to someone of the opposite sex.

And deselys.... I don't think you are thinking it through about incest... what is wrong with sterile incestuous couples getting married?  why is it worse to you than homosexuals?  

and tex... it does cost me.   one way or the other we are all subsidizing marriage through taxes etc. and making an investment in a way of life.  You are asking me to subsidize a whole new group with my money and....  to in effect... reward the behavior.

Like I said... I have no problem with gays coming up with their own form of marriage... or the guy and his dog or the brother and sister... let em come up with their own rules for it too.

So tell me guys.... why do YOU think that gays would like to be married.... and how is that not gonna affect me?

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« Reply #152 on: April 11, 2006, 03:51:14 PM »
Sorry this took so long to get to the *more later* Chairboy. I needed to speak with a friend that is far more knowledgeable than I. :)

I understand that you dont believe the same things I do Chairboy. This post is an attempt to show you where I am coming from. All Biblical references are taken from the MKJV (Modern King James Version).

Marriage is an institution, designed and ordained by God from the beginning of time, between one man and one woman.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh.

Marriage was designed for the increase of man. (reproduction)

Genesis 1:27,28 And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.  And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it. And have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heavens, and all animals that move upon the earth.

Marriage was designed to produce Godly children. ie..children that know, love and follow Him.

Mal 2:15  And did He not make you one? Yet the vestige of the Spirit is in him. And what of the one? He was seeking a godly seed. Then guard your spirit, and do not act treacherously with the wife of your youth.

Marriage was designed to prevent fornication.

Heb 13:4  Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled, but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

1Co 7:2  But, because of the fornications, let each have his own wife, and let each have her own husband.

God didnt make provisions for marriages between 2 men or 2 women, only between one man and one woman. The Bible speaks against homosexuality calling it an abomination to God.

Hope that helps you understand my position on homosexual marriages Chairboy. :)
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« Reply #153 on: April 11, 2006, 03:51:55 PM »
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wow curval... so now you think that certified water or wastewater treatment plant operator is a lowly position?  beneath the silver spoon trust fund set set?  I am supossed to take advice from you on prejudice?
 


I am about as prejudice against poopy water cleaners as you are against the silver spoon trust fund set.  15 all.

I, however, do think women should have the vote and that gay people should be allowed to marry.  30-15.  Your serve.
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« Reply #154 on: April 11, 2006, 03:55:13 PM »
"I am not, nor do I ever wish to steep so low as to sell out my values to make the PC crowd happy."

What you do is simply sprout whatever you have been "taught" without any independent or logical thinking.  You sell yourself out by towing social and political "lines" that you seem incapable of questioning.

You are a lemming.
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« Reply #155 on: April 11, 2006, 03:56:29 PM »
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the last time religion dictated what to do, people were burned at the stake.


Not true......my religious beliefs dictate what I do on a daily basis and I have never burned anyone at the stake, nor have I contemplated doing anything so drastic.
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« Reply #156 on: April 11, 2006, 04:08:34 PM »
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During the wedding, the couple says yes to each other but the audience is not asked to vote its (dis)agreement AFAIK.


Actually.....every wedding I have been to, right at the end of the ceremony before the Pastor pronounces the couple Man and Wife.....he asks the folks gathered....if anyone present knows any reason these two should not be joined together in Holy Matrimony speak now or forever hold your peace. (or words to that effect) Although technically the *audience* isnt being asks to vote, they are being asked to speak up if they know any reason why the two love birds shouldnt be married.
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« Reply #157 on: April 11, 2006, 04:10:02 PM »
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What you do is simply sprout whatever you have been "taught" without any independent or logical thinking. You sell yourself out by towing social and political "lines" that you seem incapable of questioning.


None of us know how Jackal came to have the views he has, that quote is an assumption on your part ;)
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« Reply #158 on: April 11, 2006, 04:16:12 PM »
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Jackal1

No gay couples dont have the same rights... they dont have the right to marry the person they love and want to spend the rest of their life with...

you do they dont...

Sexuality isnt a race but obviously it works just as well as a segregating instrument as race...

Tex


In the USA everyone does have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, no one has the right to marry someone of the same sex. So yes we do all have the same rights.

Hiring a lawyer to create a partnership is probably cheaper than forking over the cash for a wedding. Unless you just go before a Justice of the Peace to get married, that option is pretty easy on the wallet.
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« Reply #159 on: April 11, 2006, 05:15:51 PM »
to paraphrase some guy
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When they came for the hermaphrodites,
I remained silent;
I was not a hermaphrodite.

When they locked up the hermaphrodite,
I remained silent;
I was not a hermaphrodite, but i do have nipples.

When they came more hermaphrodites,
I did not speak out;
I was still not a hermaphrodite .

When they came for the rest of the hermaphrodites,
I did not speak out;
I was not hermaphroditic.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out about hermaphrodites
STFU already about hermaphrodites, they said

and now there aint no more hermaphrodites
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« Reply #160 on: April 11, 2006, 05:21:30 PM »
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Marriage is an institution, designed and ordained by God from the beginning of time, between one man and one woman.


Certainly not.
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« Reply #161 on: April 11, 2006, 06:36:18 PM »
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Certainly not.


I'd be interested to hear what you have to say on how/when the institution of marriage came about.
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« Reply #162 on: April 11, 2006, 06:41:46 PM »
Elfie, I consider religious views a pretty respectable reason for not wanting gay marriage, but you have to understand, in a nation anchored in large part by the Separation of Church and State, they're completely invalid.

Lasz - What makes you think that this:

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Like I said... I have no problem with gays coming up with their own form of marriage


Won't lead to this:

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we are all subsidizing marriage through taxes etc. and making an investment in a way of life. You are asking me to subsidize a whole new group with my money


You don't honestly expect gays, (should they go along with civil unions), to not demand the same tax considerations etc., as every other two-couple household, regardless of what it's called?

If this is a main reason your concerned I guess I can see where you're coming from - not agree with it, but see anyway.
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« Reply #163 on: April 11, 2006, 06:44:37 PM »
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I'd be interested to hear what you have to say on how/when the institution of marriage came about.


Well, I'd say it was pretty much an economic union and money or goods/services had a heck of a lot more to do with it then God.  (Not sure abot the history of the term "marriage" though, but whatever they called it back then).
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« Reply #164 on: April 11, 2006, 07:14:03 PM »
Elfie, so you're saying that the Judeo-Christian religion created marriage?
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