Gay Marriage thread

[straffo]

Originally posted by Elfie
I'd be interested to hear what you have to say on how/when the institution of marriage came about.

It depend of the country you come from for example in the Canary Island polyandry was traditional ...

so ?

It's not because you look at mariage with your christain values that make mariage work according to your way and exclusively according to your education.

Do you know there is no provision in the Old Testament for monogamy ? (well if the 1st wife agree )

[deSelys]

Originally posted by Jackal1
blah blah blah (brute force argumentation - inefficient but hey, it keeps you busy)

So , are you willing to legalize child molestation also? How about murder? How far are you willing to go with the charade?

So you wish  to legalize that also?

Man, I feel for you. With such reading skills, you must have had a pretty hard time in class, uh? Or are you all the same where you're living? Something in the water, maybe...
Anyway, my answer is NO so you don't need to keep asking about the obvious.

Originally posted by Jackal1

I wouldn`t suggest it, but if you do we can discuss it face to face.

Great! An internet threat! Take a plane to Brussels and I'm your man but you'll have to know that:
1) I'm fit
2) I'm younger than you
3) I don't play fair when it comes to this

OTOH, I'll let you have the first move (I need to be able to claim that I was defending myself).
 

Originally posted by Jackal1

I don`t know what church you are refering to, but any church that I would consider being married in allows marriage of divorced people.

Here in Europe the lukewarm (tm Seagoon) catholics aren't allowed to marry at the church again after a divorce.
Mmmm so you take what suits you in religion and reject the rest? How convenient... Don't expect to gather much respect from believers and non-believers, though.

Originally posted by Elfie

Actually.....every wedding I have been to, right at the end of the ceremony before the Pastor pronounces the couple Man and Wife.....he asks the folks gathered....if anyone present knows any reason these two should not be joined together in Holy Matrimony speak now or forever hold your peace. (or words to that effect) Although technically the *audience* isnt being asks to vote, they are being asked to speak up if they know any reason why the two love birds shouldnt be married.

Elfie... since the beginning, I'm talking about civilian, administrative marriages ONLY. Religions decide to forbid gay marriage or not, and I'm fair with that. So try again (and read and think twice before posting please).

[Curval]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Never had a problem coming up with my own opinions and thinking for myself. I know that is foreign to you. Now go put on your pink shorts and run to the store for shrimp to put on the barbie for when Biff and Buff arrive......Mmmmmmmm K.

Ohhhh...good come-back.  This must be a ninja post from the guy from the huge frikken state of Texas. <- insert the old rolley eyes emoticon.

Why do you assume independent thought is foreign to me?  You are the one sprouting off intolerance and sticking to the bible thumping conservative "line" that you admit you will never deviate from.

Shrimp on the barbie is an Australian thing...is your lack of geography education raising its head again?

The pink shorts and Biff and Buff comment "appears" to be dissmissive and hints at the possible accusation of me being gay...maybe not, but I think that is what you are trying to do.  Strange because I have a beautiful wife and three great kids.  Is it the wearing of pink shorts that makes me "gay"?  If so you just keep on showing your ignornace and your intolerance of everything YOU don't think is right.

[midnight Target]

Pink shorts aren't gay.....







Cricket is gay.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by deSelys
Man, I feel for you. With such reading skills, you must have had a pretty hard time in class, uh?/B]

Naw.......actualy school was a cakewalk. Pissed a lot of people off.

Anyway, my answer is NO so you don't need to keep asking about the obvious.

With the things and the position you have been taking it was far from obvious.
Perversion is perversion. If you go for one, you might support the other.

Great! An internet threat! Take a plane to Brussels and I'm your man but you'll have to know that:

Priceless! You must be hard to discuss things with if you are hiding under the bed.
You ever get to Texas , give me a yell. I`ll buy ya a beer.

Here in Europe the lukewarm (tm Seagoon) catholics aren't allowed to marry at the church again after a divorce.

I`m not Catholic and I`m damn sure not in Yourope.  

Mmmm so you take what suits you in religion and reject the rest? How convenient... Don't expect to gather much respect from believers and non-believers, though.

Explain to me again how much you know about my religion.

Please do come back again if you can figure out what is being discussed.

[lazs2]

vudak... you have a good point about homosexuals with their own form of marriage eventually getting all the same expensive benifiets as traditional marrriage.... eventualy.   I think that is fair.  if they can make their case that their form of marriage deserves to be rewarded.   but that needs to happen first... they can't ride on the coattails of conventional marriage.

curval.. you (or anyone else) have not answered the question.   you say that gays should be allowed to marry..  I suppose that you feel it is some kind of "right" in order to equalize?  

but then you never answer the question of why brother and sister should not be allowed to marry under the same contract.   Do you believe incestuous (if condoms prevent aids then surely they prevent pregnacncies) couples can't marry.... if there are any restrictions at all to conventional marriage.... why should homos be excluded from being exempted?

If you can say that brother and sister can't marry then why can't you say that homos can't marry?

hell... the gays I know don't want to marry.  They would like the health benifiets (where applicable) but don't like the community property thing at all.

You would probly get more gays behind a plan that gave each citizen with health care the same dollar amount (I am unmarried so get to keep about half or more of my health care "benifiet") than you ever would who want to be "married".

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Curval


Why do you assume independent thought is foreign to me?  

Maybe because as I have never seen any evidence of any from you> Mostly canned  Liberal Yupnish.

Shrimp on the barbie is an Australian thing...is your lack of geography education raising its head again?

Shrimp on the barbie is pretty well a worldwide thing with the Yup crowd....even here in the friggen huge state of Texas. You need to get out more.

The pink shorts and Biff and Buff comment "appears" to be dissmissive and hints at the possible accusation of me being gay...maybe not, but I think that is what you are trying to do.

Naw.........just a little Gurly Mannish. To claim to be so "behind" this gay marriage thing  you seem very defensive and a little touchy on the subject. Not as permissive as you wish to be believed?

 

Strange because I have a beautiful wife and three great kids.

Which would prove absolutely nothing. Like I said......your just a little Gurly Mannish, but I`m proud you brought that up. You hear all the time about family men who all of a sudden "decide" they are gay. Guess the genetics were time release, huh?

Is it the wearing of pink shorts that makes me "gay"?

Don`t come to me for your answers on the subject. Only your hair dresser knows for sure.

Seriously Curvie........proud to see you came back. Chair was awful concerned about you. ROFL

Lighten up Francis.

[deSelys]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Naw.......actualy school was a cakewalk. Pissed a lot of people off.

You already had 'no one left behind' back then? Lucky you...

Originally posted by Jackal1
Priceless! You must be hard to discuss things with if you are hiding under the bed.
You ever get to Texas , give me a yell. I`ll buy ya a beer.

Chicken... If I'm unlucky enough to have to go to Bumfux, Tx, I'll sure come and ask you to put your fists where your mouth is. THEN we'll have a beer

Originally posted by Jackal1

Explain to me again how much you know about my religion.

I'll admit being poorly informed about all those sects....err 'churches' that you have over there. But again, there better and more interesting things in life and being brainwashed is not on my to-do list.

Originally posted by Jackal1

Please do come back again if you can figure out what is being discussed.

I haven't seen much of a discussion from your part: you keep spouting things that you have been 'taught' and accepted as the truth without thinking about it twice. I understand that you're bitter because, just like the roundness of Earth, the wrongness of slave labor, the rights of black people, gay marriage will eventually be accepted and the opponents will realize that it wasn't such a big deal after all. Chill out and open your mind...

[lazs2]

deseleys... the discussion is not on whether gay marriage will someday be but on if it is a good idea or not.

I say not.   any study shows that gays are much more prone to aids and are much more promiscuous..

Those things alone are enough to want to exclude them.... just as it is possible to have genetic defects passed on by incest.  

The fact that gay behavior is so risky and casual is what makes it something that would marginalize conventional marriage.

I don't know if it will come to pass or if some comprimise will be reached... some alternate contract for gays.

I am saying that it is not a good idea and not fair to conventional marriage and...  if you allow gays to marry....

What do you base it on?   everyone has a right to marry?   why not incest?  why not pedophiles?   If you can exclude one behavior while still allowing those who practice it the option of marriage under the rules...  then you can do it to any behavior.   That is what is fair.

Fair in this case means that gays can marry under the current rules.  As can brother and sister or pedophiles... they just can't do it to each other.

it is like nude peoples rights.... they have all the rights of everyone else... they just have to wear clothes when they exercise a lot of em.

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by deSelys

Chicken... If I'm unlucky enough to have to go to Bumfux, Tx, I'll sure come and ask you to put your fists where your mouth is. THEN we'll have a beer B]

Hehe. Chicken???? And you were saying about my reading skills? LOL
I`m always here till closing time. We never close.
Priceless.

But again, there better and more interesting things in life and being brainwashed is not on my to-do list.

Yea, things on the "to do" list usualy get marked off after they are accomplished.

I understand that you're bitter because, just like the roundness of Earth, the wrongness of slave labor, the rights of black people, gay marriage will eventually be accepted and the opponents will realize that it wasn't such a big deal after all.

I have nothing to be bitter about. Gay marriage is not legal here.
I don`t know how old you are. Seems from the style of your posts you must be very young indeed. Even with a very young age, I`d be willing to bet that you will never live to see the day that gay marriage is legalized and accepted in my home state.

[Curval]

Originally posted by lazs2
curval.. you (or anyone else) have not answered the question.   you say that gays should be allowed to marry..  I suppose that you feel it is some kind of "right" in order to equalize?  

but then you never answer the question of why brother and sister should not be allowed to marry under the same contract.  

I think that HAS been answered.

If a brother and sister consumate their relationship and a child is concieved, that child will very likely have all kinds of problems.  Mutation, retardation etc etc.  

If two gay people consumate their relationship...nothing happens.  Hopefully, for their sake, there is a "happy ending" but that is about it.

[Jackal1]

If I may...I believe the question was about a sterile brother and sister.

[lazs2]

nope curval... what if one of the incestuous couple is sterile?  what is your objection then?   I believe that is game set and match.... to use your terms..

lazs

[deSelys]

Ok I'll answer: incestuous brother and sister (or brother and brother or sis and sis...) not reproducing? As long as none is forcing the other, it's not my cup of tea but they aren't hurting anybody. OTOH, I don't remember having heard incestuous brothers and sisters asking for having the right to marry.

Comparing homosexuality with pedophilia is mixing oranges and (bad) apples, Lazs, and you know it. A bit like comparing law-abiding gun owners and gangsters (that should ring a bell). I've explained higher in this thread why.

Gays are more promiscuous? Probably, but I don't think that those willing to fool around are those asking for having the right to marry.

Jackal, I'm 36 and you may be right. But the world is much bigger than Tx (fortunately).

[Curval]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Maybe because as I have never seen any evidence of any from you> Mostly canned  Liberal Yupnish.

You obviously haven't read many of my threads.  You cannot place me in a stereotypical "liberal" light.  Not sure many liberals voiced support for Bush's presidency, which I did some time ago, for example.  My recent anti-Bush postings have resulted from his actions since he was re-elected.  I am more right wing orientted in my outlook on financial matters, but probably slightly left of the middle on social matters.  Canned bible thumping concervatism is what I see from you in this thread.
 
Shrimp on the barbie is pretty well a worldwide thing with the Yup crowd....even here in the friggen huge state of Texas. You need to get out more.

I need to get out more?  LOL.  What would you know about anything being a "worldwide" thing...you don't go anywhere.  I was in Mumbai India in December, Boston last week, I go to Toronto on May 31st, the UK in July for the Farnsborough airshow and then I travel to Uganda (that is in Africa, just so you are clear) in August.  Where have you been or where do you plan to travel during these times?

Naw.........just a little Gurly Mannish. To claim to be so "behind" this gay marriage thing  you seem very defensive and a little touchy on the subject. Not as permissive as you wish to be believed?

I'm not the touchy one.  You are so anti gay marriage that "methinks you doth protest too much".  (You can google that expesssion if you don't understand it.)

Which would prove absolutely nothing. Like I said......your just a little Gurly Mannish, but I`m proud you brought that up. You hear all the time about family men who all of a sudden "decide" they are gay. Guess the genetics were time release, huh?

I suppose that is true, but I have no plans to become gay at any time.  Wearing pink shorts every once in a while will not change that.

Seriously Curvie........proud to see you came back. Chair was awful concerned about you. ROFL

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