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Offline Estel

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« Reply #180 on: April 13, 2006, 11:06:51 AM »
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The Yanks wouldn't have used the stuff in Vietnam... and the NZ govt wouldn't have allowed Dow Elanco's NZ subsidiary to supply  the two base chemicals of agent orange( 2,4,5-t & 2,4-d ) for use in Vietnam if the long term effects of it were known back then.

And it's not as though it wasn't used here and in other countries either, watermelon loads of it was used in agriculture and forestry right up until the late 1980s when 2,4,5-t was banned in NZ.

But you know what they say... "ignorance is no excuse" So I think NZ should be punished for it's crimes by being kicked out of the UN.

Then we could join something useful, like the Mickey Mouse Club.

Excel


Tell this to the victims. Not to me. For me, this question is closed long time ago.

Let's not go away from topic.
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« Reply #181 on: April 13, 2006, 11:14:13 AM »
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No, but then there are laws that are enforced to prevent/punish crime. We know crime is going to happen and that we will catch some and miss others. This doesn't stop us from trying to catch them all and it doesn't stop us from trying new laws.

What do you propose for Iran?


Stop. The punishment as a natural consequence for a crime is undoubtedly.

Do I understand you correct, that you want to punish before crime object and subject appeared? It's not a justice. It's a crime. You wanna catch'em all? No problem. Do it within the bounds of law.
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« Reply #182 on: April 13, 2006, 11:18:53 AM »
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Estel when you say the US has used WMD's, I consider that to be a battlefield use. Testing nukes isnt the same imo. Althought why we needed to test so many is beyond me.


Lookup in the tread. There was only one example with WMD in Vietnam. What do you doing with nukes on your own territory is not interesting for me, at least untill radioactives will fall onto my head with the rain :-)
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« Reply #183 on: April 13, 2006, 11:20:14 AM »
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Not having a solution isn't a prerequisit for debating whether or not a proposed solution is good or bad idea.

I don't know how to stop all crime, but I know that killing everyone is probably a poor solution.


There is saying in Russia: When you have been eaten by somebody, you still have two ways out...
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« Reply #184 on: April 13, 2006, 11:43:07 AM »
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There is saying in Russia: When you have been eaten by somebody, you still have two ways out...



ROFL!!!!

How very..... "russian".
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« Reply #185 on: April 13, 2006, 01:46:41 PM »
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What do you propose for Iran?



It's not my proposal, someone on here or AGW came up with it, but I support it.  I would send them the following letter.


"Dear Iran,

Welcome to the Nuclear Club!  If an Iranian nuclear device is detonated within or near the boarders of the United States of America and/or our stated allies, we will turn your country into a glass parking lot.

Have a great day,



Thrawn - God/King of the USA."
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« Reply #186 on: April 13, 2006, 02:16:23 PM »
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Lookup in the tread. There was only one example with WMD in Vietnam. What do you doing with nukes on your own territory is not interesting for me, at least untill radioactives will fall onto my head with the rain :-)


I think you misunderstood my statement. Let me try to be more clear.


When you said the US had used WMD since WWII, to my way of thinking that means battlefield/strategic use of the weapons. I didnt realize you were mostly talking about the testing of said weapons ;)
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« Reply #187 on: April 13, 2006, 02:56:02 PM »
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I think you misunderstood my statement. Let me try to be more clear.


When you said the US had used WMD since WWII, to my way of thinking that means battlefield/strategic use of the weapons. I didnt realize you were mostly talking about the testing of said weapons ;)


The testing wasn't my point. You an scroll up and check. You can begin from here...

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Actually the US nuked the hell out of itself. Google "Nevada Test Range".

The USA also nuked New Mexico and Alaska.
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« Reply #188 on: April 13, 2006, 03:00:24 PM »
pssssssssssssssssst..

Estel....

Alaska and New Mexico are in the USA.
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« Reply #189 on: April 13, 2006, 03:15:06 PM »
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pssssssssssssssssst..

Estel....

Alaska and New Mexico are in the USA.


I know. I mean, that idea of to add nuke tests in USA to using WMD wasn't my idea.
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« Reply #190 on: April 13, 2006, 03:17:31 PM »
How do you test a nuke without using it? And you should go back and read my posts carefully.  You might see a reference to a JOKE.
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« Reply #191 on: April 13, 2006, 03:24:48 PM »
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The testing wasn't my point. You an scroll up and check. You can begin from here...


Those were tests of nuclear weapons. The tests were performed at various sites. At some point (not sure exactly when) all nuclear tests were done under ground.

Not like we just nuked the crap out of those entire states indiscriminately ;)
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« Reply #192 on: April 13, 2006, 03:32:41 PM »
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How do you test a nuke without using it? And you should go back and read my posts carefully.  You might see a reference to a JOKE.


You don't need to explain me an obvious things.

I mean, that nuclear tests on own territory is not the same as using WMD against 3-d side country. That is all. How did you test them, underground, airblast or something else dosen't interest me. The discussing of the tests just began after your post.
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« Reply #193 on: April 13, 2006, 04:55:06 PM »
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It's not my proposal, someone on here or AGW came up with it, but I support it.  I would send them the following letter.


"Dear Iran,

Welcome to the Nuclear Club!  If an Iranian nuclear device is detonated within or near the boarders of the United States of America and/or our stated allies, we will turn your country into a glass parking lot.

Have a great day,



Thrawn - God/King of the USA."


That will be a great comfort to those left living in the crater of NYC or DC.. or maybe LA. Both of them.

In the aftermath, there will be the distinct problem of proving it was an Iranian nuclear device. After all, there are reputedly some nuclear devices out there for sale that did not originate in Iran.

So do we nuke the place the nuke originated without regard to proof of who did it?
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« Reply #194 on: April 13, 2006, 05:36:22 PM »
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That will be a great comfort to those left living in the crater of NYC or DC.. or maybe LA. Both of them.


People seem to keep on saying how NYC and LA need to be protected from the terrorists, but they keep voting for the other guy.

Besides, you're exchanging and actual nuclear attack on Iran for a hypothetical attack on the US.

I think that nuking Iran would do more to help terrorist cause than just about anything imaginable.  In exchange for what?  Delaying Iran for 2-5 years?  


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In the aftermath, there will be the distinct problem of proving it was an Iranian nuclear device. After all, there are reputedly some nuclear devices out there for sale that did not originate in Iran.


Not according to the source Dowding posted.
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