Author Topic: What's wrong with Democratic Party... (Read 1311 times)

fd ski · « **on:** February 02, 2001, 06:57:00 AM »

I've watched Crossfire last night and it dawned on me why the Democrats are getting screwed again and again...

Show featured democratic female senator and republican male senator from Cali i believe.
Republican repeated the same 5 verses at least 4 times within 20 minutes of the show:

- everyone is suprized how wonderful of a job is Bush doing
- how Bush brought everyone together
- Bush talks to Black Carcass
- Bush is trying to find a middle ground with democrats

Hilarious part about it is the fact that most of the questions he was asked had nothing to do with what he spoke about, but he wrote it all of as "Bush-envy".

Democrat Senator tried to debate the reasons why she and other democrats voted against Ashcroft, she went long way to explain her point of view, yet everything she met with Bush-envy-evil-democrats-destroying-work-of-new-president

Then it dawned on me.... democrats need to learn one thing: how to shut the diddly up and start marching to the same tune.
Yesterday, a man who most democrats ( myself included ) would rather not see become AG ( and democratic party has more then enough votes to block him ) got the job, because some of the democratic senators voted FOR him.

Oh yes, you say, they voted their opinions... well heck, then they should run as independents not democrats.

Everytime Republican doghounds are send on smear campaign, even for stupidest reasons, they always march together, bite together and appear as ONE.
Democrats - there is always 37 who has their "own" opinion, some of them plain defect, they argue and bicker among themselves when the enemy is at the gates.

Democratic party needs a new leadership, one that will tighten the ranks and get rid of some fricking idiots currently inside.

Yesterday, Senator Dodd of CT ( my state ) voted for Mr. Ashcroft for AG. Well, that pretty much assures that he will not get my vote in next elections because the best i can tell, he sure as toejam doesn't represent me. Who he represents - i'm not sure.
Question is - who do i have left to vote for in next election ?

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Eagler · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2001, 07:37:00 AM »

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Originally posted by fd ski:
Question is - who do i have left to vote for in next election ?

The Republican candidate

Eagler

fd ski · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2001, 07:39:00 AM »

I haven't smoked that much crack yet...

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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

StSanta · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2001, 07:41:00 AM »

Hey, I like when people follow their OWN convictions, instead of walking to the party tune.

Plenty of sheep out there

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OTOH, voting for Ashcroft should be criminal

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Toad · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2001, 07:48:00 AM »

It's just technique. They ALL do it. You could swap Republican/Democrat roles in that scenario and find plenty of examples that "prove your point".

Politicians are politicians. They all have "game plans" and generally the game plans are pretty similar. Both sides probably buy training and advice from the same people!

On any given night, one team may execute "the plan" better than the other.

Oh, btw, yeah... you guys are right. It's a little known fact, but the person holding the office of USAG actually determines the fate of the world. He's the "guy behind the curtain." So, indeed, the world is about to end. Get your "repent now" placards and hit the streets! LOL

Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2001, 08:45:00 AM »

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FD-SKI:"Then it dawned on me.... democrats need to learn one thing: how to shut the f^$%# up and start marching to the same tune.

And likewise, the Republican party needs to start using scare tactics (ie. 'They going to cut SCHOOL LUNCH MONEY, the CHILDREN WILL STARVE, and 'They're going to cut your S.S. off!') that the Dems like to use.

Sunchaser · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2001, 08:57:00 AM »

Ah...almost everything but they got some cute chicks.

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MrBill · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2001, 09:42:00 AM »

As a registered "pedestrian" (in both politics and religion) I do not take anyone's "side" unless I agree with the point of view being presented. That being said ...

Would it not be nice it all politicians, of both parties, in our (U.S.of A.'s) representative republic, (not, as some mistakenly assume, democracy), actually showed the leadership to vote the will of the people who elected them!?
I never cease to be miffed by a politician who runs on a platform then within days of election find it necessary to "change their mind" because "their" conscience will not let them to do what the people who elected them want done. I have no problem with any person changing their minds ... just resign and let someone else represent the majority of the people.

BTW, I am a huge fan of putting "no candidate is suitable" on the federal ballot,

BUT only if it prevented all the running candidates from running for federal office again for say the next three elections.

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Kieren · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2001, 09:50:00 AM »

Turn it around. There were many democrats that probably have voted for confirmation, but the party slapped on them hard enough to get them to change their minds.

Evan Bayh is a democratic senator from my state of Indiana. Indiana is strongly republican, but Bayh was a popular democratic governor. He was popular because he managed to find a middle ground with democrats and republicans (sound like someone you detest?) and left the state fiscally secure. I voted for him twice, despite being fundamentally a republican in values.

Now I am not so sure. Bayh toed the party line because he wants to be president, and by doing so has gravely jeopardized his chances for re-election in 2002. Remember, he voted against removing Clinton from office, alienating himself from much of Indiana.

Many of those senators voted not their conscience but what was politically expedient. It goes the same for the republicans mind you, so no need to compare. This time around it just happened that the republicans came out on top.

fd ski · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2001, 10:36:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Kieren:
Many of those senators voted not their conscience but what was politically expedient.

The only problem is that "their conscience" is defined by what "you consider to be proper".
Which means, that every politician, even repulican will at one point or the other do something you don't like.

I don't expect the democratic party to do everything i want to see, but i agree with lot of agenda and want to see that line followed.
I don't know anything about Democrats who ran for office in CT, but they got my votes because i agree with the agenda of the party.
If they start doing things outside of the agenda - they shouldn't be a part of the party. Simple as that.

I'm simply tired of voting for one thing, and getting another

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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

Kieren · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2001, 10:59:00 AM »

FD-Ski

I just can't agree there. I prefer to have a leader that I fundamentally agree with, but has enough personal conviction to do what he/she thinks is right even when it is not the popular thing to do. IMHO poll-driven politics has a lot to do with the decline in the perception of leadership in our political system.

A general doesn't turn around and ask his troops what they want to do to conduct a battle. He makes the plan and implements it.

A tour guide doesn't ask the tourists for directions.

The teacher doesn't ask the student what they think they need to learn.

Parents don't ask their children what movies they feel are appropriate.

I don't mean to imply that we are mindless minions following the will of our politicians, but I sure don't want a situation where our politicians are puppets directed by a confusing array of hands pulling at the strings. IMHO they need to be leaders, and we vote for them based on their intiative and vision.

Lock-step or out seems to be anti-leader to me. It seems to lack the personal integrety to follow a conviction when it runs against a party line.

fd ski · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2001, 11:34:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Kieren:
FD-Ski

I just can't agree there. I prefer to have a leader that I fundamentally agree with, but has enough personal conviction to do what he/she thinks is right even when it is not the popular thing to do

And what if his personal conviction is against the things you fundamentally agree with on before the election ?

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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

Jimdandy · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2001, 11:50:00 AM »

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Originally posted by fd ski:
..."Bush-envy"...

I've gotten that before. I've seen some real idiot's with some fine women before. That's when it comes over me.

[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 02-02-2001).]

Ripsnort · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2001, 11:59:00 AM »

Bush boosts the Diabled:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/01/bush.disabled/index.html

Kieren · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2001, 12:16:00 PM »

It depends, Ski.

Don't you think you have to evaluate the whole of a person's term before you make that kind of decision? I don't think that you can fairly evaluate anyone on one event, unless it is one of such magnitude that it completely overrides everything else that person has accomplished.

Certainly if you have a character that ran on "Pro-choice", gets elected, then suddenly starts pushing "Pro-life" agendas, then I think you are correct. But you seem to be suggesting that anyone that doesn't fall into lock-step is a bad leader. I am suggesting that such a person is no leader at all, because they can't be evaluating any situation as an independent thinker.

My conception of government is that politicians should be leaders, and we elect them because they have vision and sound leadership qualities. Instead we seem to have a government full of people that are more concerned with their political futures than doing what is right (by their convictions).

You see I don't care if I occasionally disagree with leadership. I may complain, but if I see there is a continuity to their method, that they are acting in a way that puts the people first (even if I disagree with them), then I can accept their decision and respect them for it. When I see continual waffling on issues, knee-jerk reactions to polls, and outright contradictions to character then I grow concerned.