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Offline Nash

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« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2006, 09:41:29 PM »
I don't know what motivates someone to lie. Again, I'm not calling them liars. Just saying that I'm pretty unqualified to assess it.

The media at the time... was not really much different than it is now.

If they could get a decent angle on a returning vet running through a gauntlet of spit, you can bet your arse that you would have seen it.

In fact - is there any video of such a thing?

I agree with you - that it's about respect. And possibly therein lies a motive.

These vets weren't respected as they should have been. It's quite sickening.

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« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2006, 10:06:38 PM »
Agreed.

Also, when the spitting happened it wasn't during protests or someplace where the media would be found.  It was isolated areas, like just going through an airport, like that guy I was talking to, or walking in a shopping center, and then getting hit with a loogie from out of nowhere.  That kind of thing will never be documented in any shape or form other than anecdotally.
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« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2006, 10:26:46 PM »
Okay. I totally accept that this must have happened. But my gut is telling me that it was difinitely not on the scale (or even close to it) that we're being led to believe.

I don't know about you, but I'd feel a little bit suicidal in going up to a veteran of the Vietnam war and spitting in his face. Ya know, if I were a hippie and everything.

There's just something here that doesn't add up.

And I just got a feeling that, were it so widespread as to be accepted as a culturally dark and shameful moment, then.... we would certainly all know what it looked like. But we don't. Nobody has seen it.

And say what you will about partisan politics, you know damn well that when the first criticisms of the Iraq war started to trickle in, we'd all be bombarded by slow motion archive video of Vietnam vets getting spat upon to the soundtrack of the Star Spangled Banner. It'd be the first thing we'd see!

So while I don't deny that it probably happened, here.... and maybe there... I also don't consider it to rise to the level of debate quandary seriousness.

I accept it as a valid metaphor for the disrespect.

But truth is truth, and anything other is untruth. I draw a line.

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« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2006, 10:47:06 PM »
Wow.  Supposition is a powerful.  I try to temper it with real life rather than worry about the "what if" or "you damn well know if" line of thinking.

Also realise that if the media did start showing something that negatively happened to vets during Vietnam video accompanied by The Star Spangled Banner the backlash from the majority of this country would cause those media broadcasting it to backtrack immediately and then they'd have to break out their "apology playbook".  And we all know they don't do that.  Remember CNN back in '97?  And, if I recall, it was an unchecked story they aired that negatively impacted the image of the Vietnam Vet.
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« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2006, 10:51:42 PM »
Why don't people hate McNamara?

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« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2006, 10:52:25 PM »
It wouldn't have to be a news network.

"Romeo69" could splice it together with fifteen minutes and a pirated copy of Final Cut, and saturate the net with it.

The problem is that he's got nothing to work with. It just isn't there.

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« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2006, 10:54:49 PM »
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Why don't people hate McNamara?


I got serious issues with that guy. But appearently we get to talk about spit instead. :D.

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« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2006, 10:58:03 PM »
LOL, what do you expect form a former CEO of Ford?  

Yeah, enough of the spit talk.

Did I ever tell about the time when I was in a Spit Mk V....?
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« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2006, 11:02:27 PM »
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If you were born in a cocoon, and raised by wolves, and your only outlet to the world was the AH BBS, it's quite understandable that you'd come to believe that the fiasco that was the Vietnam war was the result of some actress called Jane Fonda.

 


I don't know one person who believes that the Vietnam war was a result of Jane Fonda. I know plenty of people who would love to see Jane Fonda shot dead for her acts of treason.

The "fiasco" of the Vietnam war was a result of the north invading the south. The "fiasco" was a result of the US defending the south against invasion by the north. Maybe the US and South VN should have just rolled over for the commies?

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« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2006, 11:07:00 PM »
I saw the spitting image of a painting which was painted by someone other than the artist who created the painting upon which the spitting image was based.

SPIT spit spit SPIT spit SPit spIT spit.

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« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2006, 11:09:14 PM »
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I don't know one person who believes that the Vietnam war was a result of Jane Fonda. I know plenty of people who would love to see Jane Fonda shot dead for her acts of treason.

The "fiasco" of the Vietnam war was a result of the north invading the south. The "fiasco" was a result of the US defending the south against invasion by the north. Maybe the US and South VN should have just rolled over for the commies?


Maybe, or maybe you should have let the Vietnamese duke it out for themselves...

OR....

You should have went into this thing doing everything you could to win.

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« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2006, 11:11:25 PM »
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Maybe, or maybe you should have let the Vietnamese duke it out for themselves...

OR....

You should have went into this thing doing everything you could to win.



But if the US let the VN duke it out for themselves, you would not have anything to ***** about.

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« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2006, 11:13:57 PM »
Yeah, like that's a worry to me.

Trust me, I'll always find things to complain about. However, I'm flattered to hear that the Vietnam war was conducted for little 'ol me.

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« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2006, 11:17:42 PM »
I don't bich about anything. I just "comment" on stuff.

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« Reply #59 on: April 10, 2006, 11:18:11 PM »
How luscious for  you.