Author Topic: Truer Words Were Never Spoken (Read 1734 times)

Tarmac · « **Reply #30 on:** April 09, 2006, 07:06:16 PM »

So is citizenship simply an economic status given to people who can perform a service? If so, there are alot of Chinese that loan us money; maybe we should make them all citizens too.

Citizenship is much more than being willing to pick fruit for minimum wage.

Sandman · « **Reply #31 on:** April 09, 2006, 07:09:36 PM »

Like I said... complicated problem requiring a comprehensive solution that is still simple enough for a congressman to explain to his pinhead constituency.

Not going to happen, but it will polarize the voters and that in the end works out nicely for our two parties.

wrag · « **Reply #32 on:** April 09, 2006, 07:11:39 PM »

Hmmmmm............

does it matter? Some think it's already over that it's a done deal...................

http://www.sierratimes.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=23&topic=568

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=10641

welcome to Aztlan?

Some are still making an effort?

http://www.americanpatrol.com/

Just some other opinions for examination..................

Toad · « **Reply #33 on:** April 09, 2006, 10:17:53 PM »

Actually, I think both Apathy and Tarmac have outlined the correct solution(s).

I think it is most certainly the best of the available suggestions.

Tarmac · « **Reply #34 on:** April 09, 2006, 10:56:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Economically, I think farming fits within the definition of "perfect competition". Ask one of those big business senators what that means.

Then ask him how he plans on eliminating the practice of paying cash to employees.

What does paying cash have to do with illegal immigration reform?

How does perfect competition relate to this argument? If you're familiar with the concept (and most Senators probably aren't), you surely know that America is nowhere near perfect competition - mostly due to Congress's insistence on legislating inefficiency.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 09, 2006, 11:11:15 PM »

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Wouldn't have that problem if drugs were decriminalized.

We wouldn't have that problem if drugs were safe to the users and those around them. (But that's for another thread now, isn't it?)

Sandman · « **Reply #36 on:** April 10, 2006, 01:31:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Tarmac
What does paying cash have to do with illegal immigration reform?

How does perfect competition relate to this argument? If you're familiar with the concept (and most Senators probably aren't), you surely know that America is nowhere near perfect competition - mostly due to Congress's insistence on legislating inefficiency.

Cash is what farmers use to pay illegals immigrants. Paying by check leaves a more obvious trail.

Perfect competition as it applies to agricultural goods in general, not America. The farmers don't have a lot of wiggle room on the production side of the market. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that produce fits within the rules.

- low profit margin
- low prices
- non-differentiated products
- no real brand names
- price is set by competition

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #37 on:** April 10, 2006, 07:59:25 AM »

^^^^^^^^

More excuses.

In your example, not only must we subsidize illegals by allowing them to work here without paying taxes, whilst still taking FULL advantage of all the perks of being a LEGAL CITIZEN, but we are subsidizing farmers TWICE, since they get regular subsidies, AND we subsidize their cheap labor FOR them. Bravo Sierra, pure and simple. It is inexcusable. I WAS a farmer (still am if you count my mother-in-law's horse farm), and even I don't believe in farm subsidies. Stop all the subsidizing and let the market play out, we'll ALL be better off in the long run.

In fact, stop subsidizing EVERYTHING, especially illegal aliens and the leaches on society who can work and provide but won't because the public dole makes it easy and comfortable NOT to work and be self sufficient.

NattyIced · « **Reply #38 on:** April 10, 2006, 08:07:46 AM »

Most illegals do landscaping and carpentry anyway.

nirvana · « **Reply #39 on:** April 10, 2006, 08:13:23 AM »

Just one note, not sure how far you are going to get calling then "beaners". With the PC police roaming you can never be too sure.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #40 on:** April 10, 2006, 08:18:27 AM »

I keep telling you all the only logical answer is to make Mexico our 51st state.

Its a win win situation for everyone.

Yes there would be imediate costs.
But the longterm benifits would far outweigh the costs

Let the Donald Trump types in and within 15 years it would become the next great vacation/retirement state.

Not to mention it has a wealth of undeveloped natural resources to be exploited
And a quick look at the map shows the added benifit of reducing our borders by more then a few miles

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #41 on:** April 10, 2006, 08:20:52 AM »

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Originally posted by NattyIced
Most illegals do landscaping and carpentry anyway.

I thought they all worked for "United Fruit" Picking strawberries

(Wondering how many people will get that)

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 10, 2006, 08:33:44 AM »

My solution is and allways has been...

One year mandatory jail term for anyone who hires an illegal alien.

You wouldn't even need a border after that. Arrest the first couple dozen trophy wives hiring maids and landscapers and roofer contractors and the rest of the cowardly employers would avoid illegals like the plague..

no work... no point in coming here illegaly

lazs

ghi · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2006, 09:44:33 AM »

<--Immigrant, from Romania

I came in Canada , looking for better life 8 years ago, legal, paying a lawer to prep my paperwork , i could speak french/english at acceptable level of conversation before i came here,(i know my spell sux, but still working on it,lol), and i had to wait 3 years in line ,
I can make it ,Why others can't follow the rules ? !

Here the goverment accept 250-300 000 immigrants /year, i think is a smart balance with what economy can swallow/create jobs and other services, without affecting the quality of life of the other citizens,
Watching the news/CNN, the debate in US, i was thinking at Lou Dobbs as your best choice for next elections. That guy hits the nail in the head !

I read about Mexican economy , they have #1 source of revenue / (more than in oil industry), the $ coming from the mexicans working in US, legal or not. Soo, first they take, maybe give later,

Watch below!
imop , looks like a poor family trying to adopt kids, not 1 or 2 but the whole kindergarten ,(12 milions) !

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"U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 10 Apr 2006 at 01:26:24 PM GMT is:

$ 8401 095 293 770 38

The estimated population of the United States is 299,012,200
so each citizen's share of this debt is $28,095.90.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$2.44 billion per day since September 30, 2005! "

Sandman · « **Reply #44 on:** April 10, 2006, 11:24:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
^^^^^^^^

More excuses.

In your example, not only must we subsidize illegals by allowing them to work here without paying taxes, whilst still taking FULL advantage of all the perks of being a LEGAL CITIZEN, but we are subsidizing farmers TWICE, since they get regular subsidies, AND we subsidize their cheap labor FOR them. Bravo Sierra, pure and simple. It is inexcusable. I WAS a farmer (still am if you count my mother-in-law's horse farm), and even I don't believe in farm subsidies. Stop all the subsidizing and let the market play out, we'll ALL be better off in the long run.

In fact, stop subsidizing EVERYTHING, especially illegal aliens and the leaches on society who can work and provide but won't because the public dole makes it easy and comfortable NOT to work and be self sufficient.

I'm not sure... are farmers subsidized in California and Texas?