Author Topic: why obey laws.... (Read 2062 times)

JB88 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:08:40 PM »

1. okay. let them in to work for a year or two. cool.
2. but make sure that thier documentation is not easilly reproducable.
3. issue drivers licenses, but not the same one that you issue to US citizens. (duh) thier work visa experation date should be concurrent with the experation date on said license. (green strip across the top perhaps?)
4. legislate heavy penalties and fines for those who hire undocumented workers.
5. allow companies the choice to keep thier best workers on for a longer duration by establishing sponsorship quotas for companies which are based on size and number or employees. something like, you have 100 employees and manuel is just too ninja to let go and he runs a crew like nobodies business. great, he and one more guy get to stay, but the rest gots to go.

BECAUSE

6. we are going to have to enforce it like someone raped our sister every time there is a violation.
in other words, joe blow has a company and is using either undocumented or overextended workers. joe blow gets jail time or joe blow loses his company. period.

how many illegals would be here if none would dare harbor them illegally?

beyond these points, i feel that anyone who wishes to stay longer should either be an essential (which could help us as we could always stand to increase our talent pool) or they should be required to apply for citizenship within a certain time frame. at least then they will have an opportunity to begin working on a sense of belonging and ownership in thier chosen home.

otherwise.

get back jojo.

88

Mustaine · « **Reply #46 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:10:46 PM »

YO 88!!!

how ya been?

enable PM in your profile dude

JB88 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:22:36 PM »

hola amigo!

como estas usted?

must vamanos as i have to get to the misses pronto villa.
will do so upon my return.

(if i am late she will deport me to the nearest hotel room.)

88

(tip toe...tip toe...)

Morpheus · « **Reply #48 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:23:49 PM »

Its all about $. One way or another, it always comes back to $.

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:24:56 PM »

Ok... so as to make this clear..

I do not blame the illegal aliens... I would probly do exactly the same in their place.

Nope... the only real solution is to put the employer in prison... we are talking mandatory prison sentance for first offence... huge fines too.

Once no employer will hire illegals... you won't need a wall at the border and the border patrol will be more than adequate to keep out the real criminals.

This is the only solution that will work... so long as people will hire them the illegals will come.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:26:05 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok... so as to make this clear..

I do not blame the illegal aliens... I would probly do exactly the same in their place.

Nope... the only real solution is to put the employer in prison... we are talking mandatory prison sentance for first offence... huge fines too.

Once no employer will hire illegals... you won't need a wall at the border and the border patrol will be more than adequate to keep out the real criminals.

This is the only solution that will work... so long as people will hire them the illegals will come.

oh... and I have never been a real fan of laws in any case... if I like it I will obey it at the time... if it is convienient.

damn... somehow I quoted myself... oh well who better to quote I ask ya?

lazs

Morpheus · « **Reply #51 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:27:54 PM »

Illeagals should be given 1 month starting say... May 1st to get the hell out. If they are not out by the end of that month they're rounded up and excecuted. One of two basic choices. They can stay and keep killing our country, in which case, they will die. Or they can simply go back home.

lazs2 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:37:30 PM »

morph... I would be more inclined to have an open season on the employers... Shoot the bastards who are really killing the country...

Those who employ illegal aliens.

lazs

Morpheus · « **Reply #53 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:41:05 PM »

True. That would be the better hunt. Use the illegals for target practice.

The more that I think about this... Grab a land rover, pack it up with some rifles and ammo, and charge people to drive them around a city while they "plink".

It would be just like a safari.

Sixpence · « **Reply #54 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:47:18 PM »

What is sad is that if all these illegals get in under the a new law, then all who were trying to get in legally get screwed and the message is sent: "don't try to do it legally or you get screwed, sneak in and protest."

J_A_B · « **Reply #55 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:50:04 PM »

This may be the first time I've ever seen Lazs suggest that the free market on its own isn't going to fix a problem. Most amazingly, he wants the GOVERNMENT to do something about it (fine/jail the employers).

Is it snowing in hell?

J_A_B

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:52:01 PM »

morph.... wouldn't it be better to shoot the trophy wife of some senator who had hired "Juanita" for her maid than to shoot the maid?

If you shoot the maid it will just cause the trophy wife to get another one and not have to pay this weeks salary.

lazs

x0847Marine · « **Reply #57 on:** April 10, 2006, 03:05:25 PM »

I've mentioned this before, for most every California police dept it is strictly against policy to assist in any immigration issue.

The INS raided a "slave" house, we stood down a block away so as not to even give the impression we were assisting in any way.

LAPD as well as Santa Monica PD have unwritten policies to turn a blind eye to minor infractions by "migrant workers"... things we'd call quality of life issues like urinating/drinking in public.

Why?, because most of the time they have no address or offer generic names like "Jose Lopez" and its a waste of resources for such minor things... thats the excuse anyway.

Santa Monica has an exploding homeless population for just this reason. The migrants, esp around here in North Hollywood, are BOLD mofos who will look you in the eye and piss on your flowers as they drink a beer.... they know LAPD either wont bother showing up, or just herd them along to the next block to become someone elses problem.

Thanks to years and years of the so called nut less "leaders" shaping policing policies that let these people walk around with near impunity, they have been emboldened to scream from the building tops "I'm illegal, you OWE me, and F your US laws" while waiving the Mexican Flag.

If you research some of these groups, which it was my job to do for a short while, you'll find most all of the Mexican centric ones have an agenda to return Texas and parts of California to Mexico, an unconditional opening of the border... things like that.... yet our politicians take them seriously.

You'd also be shocked, or not, to find out where they get some of their political donations from: So American drug cartels, MS13, various radical, even "narco terrorist" organizations who would absolutely love to see their "mules" gain easier access to the US.

I have accepted long ago immigration issues related to Mexico et al are a complete joke, its turned places like Los Angeles into "home plate"... if you can run around the bases and break enough laws to slide home, the LA leaders yell "SAFE!" like an umprie, pat you on the back and look the other way.

Meanwhile by friend Jim from Canada waited 8 years, paid thousands in lawyer fees and jumped through 100 hoops to become a US citizen.

Kaw1000 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 10, 2006, 03:25:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
Illeagals should be given 1 month starting say... May 1st to get the hell out. If they are not out by the end of that month they're rounded up and excecuted. One of two basic choices. They can stay and keep killing our country, in which case, they will die. Or they can simply go back home.

JB88 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 10, 2006, 03:41:32 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
This may be the first time I've ever seen Lazs suggest that the free market on its own isn't going to fix a problem. Most amazingly, he wants the GOVERNMENT to do something about it (fine/jail the employers).

Is it snowing in hell?

J_A_B

it must be. lasz and i agree on something.

you won't solve the problem if you don't punish those who do the hiring.

and when i say punish, i mean punish. no nancy BS.

jail. huge fines.

it is the only way.