Global Warming...not!

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Maybe an ice age in your area only?

Cool! That would mean that beer cooling costs would be reduced significantly. Less fuel burned.
It would also mean less trips to the beer store would have to be made because you could pretty well stock up and not have to worry about storage/spoilage issues. Less fuel burned.
I thinkwe have found a cure here.

[Cynic]

Originally posted by lazs2
cynic.... you accept that these scientists know where all the oil is and that they know how much the demand will be in the future and can predict when we will run out?

don't really live up to your name eh?

Then you go on to say that all the other climate changes were caused by too many animals on the planet?   and that the evil boooosh is somehow cooking the books?   did you read the wall street journal article sabre linked?

Yes i did read it.  Did you read what I wrote?  Between the lines, basically I'm saying if you look hard enough, you'll find a report you need to expound your sociopolitical viewpoint.  Pretty much all the 'journalist' that wrote the piece said was that opposing views were hogwash, not really shoring up his view with hard facts.  That there was a warming in such and such time frame and a cooling in such and such time frame, without citing a research document that explains it doesn't swing well.

I want more detail.  I simply will not accept someone telling me 'the truth.'  He said numbers pulled from the official log University. Did he cite the title? The document number?  The lead researchers? Give a link?  I'm supposed to believe him because he says so?

When my online friends at a fitness site post reasearch or a claim by research, they include all the indentifying information, to include the name of the study, the case number, the title, the conditions under which the research was conducted, etc.  When I see this kind of info, then I'm a bit more accepting, however I have called foul on one article one guy posted because the conditions under which the research was done. He had no acceptable answer.

[Angus]

Yeah Jackal, and in my place it's getting warmer, so our heating costs also go down.
Dang, it doesn't matter much we don't burn fuel for heating.

[lazs2]

ok cynic... then where is your "research" that proves that we will run out of oil in 50 years?

lazs

[Angus]

Well, if we all start using less, and new wells are found, we might last a bit longer

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Dang, it doesn't matter much we don't burn fuel for heating.

What do you heat with Angus?

[Cynic]

Originally posted by lazs2
ok cynic... then where is your "research" that proves that we will run out of oil in 50 years?

lazs

As I said in my origininal post, it's what I'm hearing, not what I've seen proved.  But give me a few weeks (this is not a small task), I'll see what I can come up with. The number may be different, but it's not that far off.  Remember though, we use oil in anywhere from 90-95% of consumer goods in some form: manufacturing in both running machines and as a component to the good, transportation, cosmetics, etc.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Angus
Well, from X-rays, the leg seems to be broken:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/ice_melt_010117.html

So, another x-ray:


Link here:
http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/qthinice.asp

Better use the cast I guess....

Yanno from looking at that picture the Ice cap isnt any smaller.
Its just moved from the left side to the right

[Cynic]

That looks like cloud cover to the right.

[Holden McGroin]

That white thing on the right is Greenland. It is probably the vast majority of the Northern ice cap.

[Debonair]

lololol
upper left, looks liek someone blew their nose on the lens...no, sorry thats asia, lolololololol
i pwnd asia!!!!

[E25280]

Originally posted by Angus
Well, from X-rays, the leg seems to be broken:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/ice_melt_010117.html

So, another x-ray:


Link here:
http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/qthinice.asp

Better use the cast I guess....

Used completely without permission:

Mar's Polar Ice Caps Melting
by News Wire  (September 22, 2005)

From a Space.com news item on NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) spacecraft:

NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) spacecraft has spotted new gullies and a fresh crater – in astronomical terms – etched into the red planet’s surface, mission scientists said Tuesday. Now in its eighth year in orbit around Mars, the MGS spacecraft found the new gullies cutting through a sand dune, as well as numerous other signs that the planet is far from a static, unchanging world. “[The gullies] are probably not the result of water action on the sand dune,” said Michael Malin, principal investigator for the Mars Orbiter Camera aboard MGS, during teleconference with reporters. “What we think is going on here is that carbon dioxide snow has been incorporated into the sand dune.” As the snow melts and evaporates into gas, it allows the sand around it to fluidize and run down the dune slope, Malin added.

[..] The spacecraft also observed a gradual evaporation of carbon dioxide ice in one of Mars’ polar caps, pointing to a slowly changing Mars climate. “They way these polar pits are retreating is absolutely astounding,” Mustard said. But like the rockfalls, researchers were unable to account for the gradual climate change. “Why is Mars warmer today that it was in the past, we really have no way of knowing why,” Malin said. ["Mars Probe Finds New Gullies, Crater at Red Planet"]

The last quote is kind of puzzling given the next article.

Also from Science.com:

Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 02:30 pm ET
20 March 2003

In what could be the simplest explanation for one component of global warming, a new study shows the Sun's radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late 1970s.

The increase would only be significant to Earth's climate if it has been going on for a century or more, said study leader Richard Willson, a Columbia University researcher also affiliated with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

The Sun's increasing output has only been monitored with precision since satellite technology allowed necessary observations. Willson is not sure if the trend extends further back in time, but other studies suggest it does.

"This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it could cause significant climate change," Willson said.

In a NASA-funded study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters, Willson and his colleagues speculate on the possible history of the trend based on data collected in the pre-satellite era.

"Solar activity has apparently been going upward for a century or more," Willson told SPACE.com today. . . . .

The new study shows that the TSI has increased by about 0.1 percent over 24 years. That is not enough to cause notable climate change, Willson and his colleagues say, unless the rate of change were maintained for a century or more.

On time scales as short as several days, the TSI can vary by 0.2 percent due to the number and size of sunspots crossing the face of the Sun. That shift, said to be insignificant to weather, is however equal to the total amount of energy used by humans, globally, for a year, the researchers estimate.

The study analyzed data from six satellites orbiting Earth at different times over the 24 years. Willson ferreted out errors in one of the datasets that had prevented previous studies from discovering the trend.

A separate recent study of Sun-induced magnetic activity near Earth, going back to 1868, provides compelling evidence that the Sun's current increase in output goes back more than a century, Willson said.

Sun is hotter.  Planets (note the PLURAL) are hotter.  What a Co-Ink-E-Dink.

[lazs2]

angus.... why do you want the oil to last a bit longer?

cynic... so now you believe predictions that are 50 years in the future (name one that ever came true) about a supply of a natural resource that we have no idea of the initial quantity of nor of the demand?

are you simply saying that if their guess is right about supply and that we keep up with current demands... it will last so long?  

worthless figures.  You should change your handle to "gullible"

lazs

[Angus]

If the oil lasts a bit longer, we get hit by the "NO OIL" status later

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Jackal1
What do you heat with Angus?

Iceland uses geothermal to a great extent.

Reykjavik used to have some of the dirtiest air around, then the government decided that they would develop the geothermal resource and stop importing coal. Reykjavik has a municipal steam (or hot water) heating district.  You just hook up to the hot stuff under the sidewalk and heat your house.

Now Reykjavik's air may be the cleanest of any national capitol.

The flip side of geothermal however is that sulfur dioxide, CO2, and many other volcanic related gasses are purged to the atmosphere.  Geothermal can let out as much or more CO2 as a fossil plant of the same output.