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« on: April 10, 2006, 12:59:28 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixworld.html

I found especially meaningful the two points the author makes as to why many scientist likely don't speak out against the prevailing paradygm.  President Bush has been roundly criticized for having his head in the sand about the impending danger of man-induced global warming.  Yet, it seems rather more likely he's one of the few in the US government who's managed to see through the smokescreen of the global warming doomsayers.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2006, 01:03:44 PM »
This should be good.

Thanks for posting that.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2006, 01:06:56 PM »
nice article. ripsnort-n-paste for myself to read more later:


For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

Yes, you did read that right. And also, yes, this eight-year period of temperature stasis did coincide with society's continued power station and SUV-inspired pumping of yet more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

In response to these facts, a global warming devotee will chuckle and say "how silly to judge climate change over such a short period". Yet in the next breath, the same person will assure you that the 28-year-long period of warming which occurred between 1970 and 1998 constitutes a dangerous (and man-made) warming. Tosh. Our devotee will also pass by the curious additional facts that a period of similar warming occurred between 1918 and 1940, well prior to the greatest phase of world industrialisation, and that cooling occurred between 1940 and 1965, at precisely the time that human emissions were increasing at their greatest rate.

Does something not strike you as odd here? That industrial carbon dioxide is not the primary cause of earth's recent decadal-scale temperature changes doesn't seem at all odd to many thousands of independent scientists. They have long appreciated - ever since the early 1990s, when the global warming bandwagon first started to roll behind the gravy train of the UN Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - that such short-term climate fluctuations are chiefly of natural origin. Yet the public appears to be largely convinced otherwise. How is this possible?

Since the early 1990s, the columns of many leading newspapers and magazines, worldwide, have carried an increasing stream of alarmist letters and articles on hypothetical, human-caused climate change. Each such alarmist article is larded with words such as "if", "might", "could", "probably", "perhaps", "expected", "projected" or "modelled" - and many involve such deep dreaming, or ignorance of scientific facts and principles, that they are akin to nonsense.

The problem here is not that of climate change per se, but rather that of the sophisticated scientific brainwashing that has been inflicted on the public, bureaucrats and politicians alike. Governments generally choose not to receive policy advice on climate from independent scientists. Rather, they seek guidance from their own self-interested science bureaucracies and senior advisers, or from the IPCC itself. No matter how accurate it may be, cautious and politically non-correct science advice is not welcomed in Westminster, and nor is it widely reported.

Marketed under the imprimatur of the IPCC, the bladder-trembling and now infamous hockey-stick diagram that shows accelerating warming during the 20th century - a statistical construct by scientist Michael Mann and co-workers from mostly tree ring records - has been a seminal image of the climate scaremongering campaign. Thanks to the work of a Canadian statistician, Stephen McIntyre, and others, this graph is now known to be deeply flawed.

There are other reasons, too, why the public hears so little in detail from those scientists who approach climate change issues rationally, the so-called climate sceptics. Most are to do with intimidation against speaking out, which operates intensely on several parallel fronts.

First, most government scientists are gagged from making public comment on contentious issues, their employing organisations instead making use of public relations experts to craft carefully tailored, frisbee-science press releases. Second, scientists are under intense pressure to conform with the prevailing paradigm of climate alarmism if they wish to receive funding for their research. Third, members of the Establishment have spoken declamatory words on the issue, and the kingdom's subjects are expected to listen.

On the alarmist campaign trail, the UK's Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir David King, is thus reported as saying that global warming is so bad that Antarctica is likely to be the world's only habitable continent by the end of this century. Warming devotee and former Chairman of Shell, Lord [Ron] Oxburgh, reportedly agrees with another rash statement of King's, that climate change is a bigger threat than terrorism. And goodly Archbishop Rowan Williams, who self-evidently understands little about the science, has warned of "millions, billions" of deaths as a result of global warming and threatened Mr Blair with the wrath of the climate God unless he acts. By betraying the public's trust in their positions of influence, so do the great and good become the small and silly.

Two simple graphs provide needed context, and exemplify the dynamic, fluctuating nature of climate change. The first is a temperature curve for the last six million years, which shows a three-million year period when it was several degrees warmer than today, followed by a three-million year cooling trend which was accompanied by an increase in the magnitude of the pervasive, higher frequency, cold and warm climate cycles. During the last three such warm (interglacial) periods, temperatures at high latitudes were as much as 5 degrees warmer than today's. The second graph shows the average global temperature over the last eight years, which has proved to be a period of stasis.

The essence of the issue is this. Climate changes naturally all the time, partly in predictable cycles, and partly in unpredictable shorter rhythms and rapid episodic shifts, some of the causes of which remain unknown. We are fortunate that our modern societies have developed during the last 10,000 years of benignly warm, interglacial climate. But for more than 90 per cent of the last two million years, the climate has been colder, and generally much colder, than today. The reality of the climate record is that a sudden natural cooling is far more to be feared, and will do infinitely more social and economic damage, than the late 20th century phase of gentle warming.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2006, 01:21:19 PM »
That's one opinion in the 'nay' camp. The balance of scientific is heading for the 'aye' door. I suppose it depends on your risk tolerance as to which how you form your opinion, but being an accountant and a trained scientist I think I'll be prudent and support reduction in reliance on fossil fuels.

Besides, it coincides quite nicely with my views on geo-politics.

As for the article, much of that editorial is unsubstanciated opinion. He quotes one source but provides no link to the primary data. His opinions on 'gagging' orders are interesting, but add nothing to the discussion.

As for the CRU:

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"The result has been that proxy records correspond closely to instrumental ones and the clear message is that the temperatures currently being experienced are higher than at any time over the last 1000 years, with 1998 being the hottest single year on record. [/b]



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So 1998 appears to be a high, which the Telegraph article says was followed by a decrease or static levels. Hmmm...

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The researchers, from the UK Met Office and the University of East Anglia, say this is more evidence for the reality of human-induced global warming.

Their data show that the average temperature during 2005 in the Northern Hemisphere is 0.65C above the average for 1961-1990, a conventional baseline against which scientists compare temperatures.

The global increase is 0.48C, making 2005 the second warmest year on record behind 1998, though the 1998 figure was inflated by strong El Nino conditions.


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Seems there is a mixed message or picture, which pretty much sums up the scientific opinion regarding global warming.

Perhaps Bush isn't as incisive or in possession of a scientifically profound mind as you make out?
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2006, 01:22:16 PM »
5 points for the author's use of the word "Tosh" in his arguement.

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2006, 02:29:56 PM »
Dowding said:
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Seems there is a mixed message or picture, which pretty much sums up the scientific opinion regarding global warming.

Perhaps Bush isn't as incisive or in possession of a scientifically profound mind as you make out?


Now you're putting words in my mouth, Dowding.  Scientifically profound?  Debatable.  I will give him points however for use of common sense (a most uncommon commodity in a politician).  My point is he at least appears to have recognized that there is a mixed message, and that it would be imprudent to wreck the national or world economies based on controvertible evidence.

The other point I'd like to respond to is your comment about "the scientific opinion regarding global warming."  That is, that dissent within the scientific community is often quashed in favor of the "consensus view."  The mainstream media is of course complicit in this, as they seem incapable of presenting a balanced view.  That is why a majority of people when asked say global warming is a problem.
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2006, 02:32:26 PM »
Oh good... so the whole global warming thing was a big hoax like we all thought all along?

that's a relief...  can we get back to our lifes now?

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2006, 02:32:36 PM »
By most accounts, global warming will only improve the climate in my region.  


Sorry to you guys living in Florida or whatnot, but you've had it too nice for too long anyway.


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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2006, 03:01:16 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2006, 03:25:01 PM »
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Originally posted by Dowding
That's one opinion in the 'nay' camp. The balance of scientific is heading for the 'aye' door.


Only one exception needs to be shown by experiment before the inverse square law of gravitational attraction is discarded. Scientific fact is not decided upon by election.

Newton and Einstein did not consult polls.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2006, 03:50:31 PM »
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Only one exception needs to be shown by experiment before the inverse square law of gravitational attraction is discarded. Scientific fact is not decided upon by election.

Newton and Einstein did not consult polls.


Yep.  Science by committee is not science.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2006, 05:18:24 PM »
Deja vu.








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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 05:24:30 PM »
Well they are going to need another thing to fear since global warming seems to be a farce...


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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 06:17:05 PM »
Holden - strange you should mention Newton and Einstein in relation to your 'exception rule'. It was Einstein that proved Newtonian physics to be flawed in reference to light propagation in a gravitational field. Yet Newtonian physics has not been discarded?

It looks like science isn't abiding by your particular ruleset.

Or maybe this has more to do with your perception of scientific 'fact'. There is patently no such thing, merely a best available understanding, in the context of a set of initial variables. This understanding should stand up to scientific scrutiny, and this process leads to debate. Given the magnitude of the issue of global warming, both in timescale and physical manifestation, there is surely bound to be a great deal of this.

As of yet, no-one claims to fully understand the phenomena, but in terms of an impact versus likelihood analysis, some see the evidence as reason enough to change the way we conduct ourselves.

Sabre - you didn't answer a single point in my original post concerning your source, in particular the Climate Research Unit.

As for wrecking the world economy, that's precisely the kind of 'doomsday' scenario you accuse many scientists of pushing. Alternative fuel sources would be found, and it would be the Western and developed world providing them.
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2006, 07:49:33 PM »
If global warming means chicks wear less I'm all for it  :aok