Iran has enriched uranium

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Seagoon
If Iran develops working thermonuclear weapons, they already have Ballistic Missile systems capable of delivering them to Israel, which is the stated intention of their government.

Stated intentions seldomly correspond to real intentions. Like stated intention to save the world from Evil Saddam's WMD. Strange that you don't understand it. Iran and Israel have one common enemy: Arabs, I think it's quite obvious...

Originally posted by Seagoon
The Russians have provided them with schedules for when US Sattelites are overhead, so we might not even have the warning that the nukes are on their way provided by spotting "launch blooms."  And what's the flight time anyway? 5 minutes?

Where did you get this information from?

I seriously doubt that Russia will do such stupid things. Look at the map: we may become a first target as well.

As for Israel - isn't it time for your country to mind your own problems?

[Dowding]

Yeager is actually Nostradamus in disguise. "Written into the cosmos". What a joke.

[Toad]

Nothing will be done UNTIL and AFTER these weapons are used by whomever the Iranians choose to supply.

Boroda may see them as no threat at all until they are in Muslim Chechen hands and used against Moscow, for instance.

[indy007]

Originally posted by Yeager
sandman is saying the US must wait to be attacked with a nuclear weapon made in Iran before taking any action against Iran?  That will cost how many american lives?

Well, yes. It's historically accurate. A democratic society normally needs to be attacked to generate the political will neccessary for conflict. Precedents? Trade Embargos/Impressment, USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11.

It costs alot of lives.

[Seagoon]

Hello Boroda,

Originally posted by Boroda
Where did you get this information from?

Oh, that's right just start in with old-school NKVD interrogation questions eh?

[Kidding...]

I seriously doubt that Russia will do such stupid things. Look at the map: we may become a first target as well.
[/B]

Come now Boroda, considering RUSSIA BUILT THE IRANIAN REACTORS which I would personally class as inconceivably more stupid than merely giving them schedules, how on earth can you make the above statement? Recently released documents indicate that Russia supplied Saddam with schedules for American spy satellites, why shouldn't we assume they would do the same for their clients next door?

- SEAGOON

[Bogie603rd]

Alright, let me explain something. I'm looking at this from my point of view, but I hope we ALL will understand it.

Iran is building Nukes... we all know this, obviouslly they just enriched uranium which is a sign their getting closer to getting a real nuke. Their goal is to wipe "infadels" off the face of the earth and make it "clean" again. So, now lets look at a situation. Europe is already SACKED with muslims. I guarantee you, if they wanted to, they could sack all of Germany, all of France, and all of Italy right now if they wanted to.

How do I know, well... Let's look back at the political protest about that cartoon strip. For days there was rioting by muslims that went "un-controlled". That's not the only incident, they are trying to sack all of europe for their cause. Because an old town I used to live in located near Frankfurt Germany named Offenbach is already 95% muslim. When I went to school there, only 3 people were true germans. Everyone else was muslim except for 1 friend of mine who was greek.

Now another problem, the mayor of that city has literally DESTROYED IT. He shut down all methods of transportation that made the city attractive. He's destroying the cities' economy. And worst of all, the muslims are cheering him on to become "Chaunselor of Germany".

Now, lets take another look at the situation. Iran is getting nukes. My idea is that since Israel is the "stronghold" of the Christian and the Jewish faith. That will be their main target. But of course, if they attack a country with their weapons, America will react. So, how to fix this problem? Simple....

Step 1. We launch 1 nuke towards Washington DC.
Step 2. Launch a nuke towards NYC.

Now that america has been partially neutralized of being capable of making decisions. Lets just blow up Israel. Afterwards, the muslims realize this is the "sign" to "sack all of Europe". They rise up and start attacking the countries they live in. Take down all political leaders and make the countries their own. Woops... looky there, now they dont just live in the desert anymore. They have more territory to hide and to wage their war against the "infadels".

Once again, that's my point of view. I might not have it all correct, just that's how I see it.

[indy007]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Recently released documents indicate that Russia supplied Saddam with schedules for American spy satellites, why shouldn't we assume they would do the same for their clients next door?

- SEAGOON

You can do that yourself with an internet connection and a telescope. I'll see if I can dig up some articles on it for you.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by indy007
Well, yes. It's historically accurate. A democratic society normally needs to be attacked to generate the political will neccessary for conflict. Precedents? Trade Embargos/Impressment, USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11.

It costs alot of lives.

Bingo. In addition to your points, we're it not for Fort Sumter, I doubt there would have been a civil war in this country.

[rpm]

Well, why aren't we invading? You know, Axis of Evil, Weapons of Mass Destruction, 9/11, all that jazz. Or has Bush turned into some spineless, quivering, Amerihating coward?

[Stringer]

And, rpm, as I posted in the other Iran thread, it's ironic that in the old days, (you know, when Rumsfield went to Iraq and shook hands with Saddam, and we knew of his use of chemical weapons against the Iranians), we would have used Saddam's Iraq to counter the Iranians.  

A little Islam on Islam action, and we'd have clean hands as well.

[Yeager]

lets reel ourselves back into the 21st century and the reality of nuclear proliferation at the hands of islamist facists....

what would a 20 kiloton atom bomb do to the site of fort sumter today?  what would happen to charleston (population 101,024) and the surrounding community today?

Would our president sacrifice those americans for confirmation if he knew ahead of time that they would become targets eventually, or would he act preemptively to save those lives?

I want my President to act on behalf of the safety of the american people.  We are here to stay.

[Pooface]

im not usually a fan of the gun-ho american attitude to things like this, nook this, nook that, blow it up, shoot this guy, bomb this, but i think in this case iran really has it coming, hard!

im certainly not a big fan of all these islamic extremist countries, really makes me mad sometimes, all the things they do.








on another note, over here in the UK, apparently, 70% of british muslims believe that britain should become a muslim state and be goverened by full islamic law:rolleyes: an MP said to them; 'you dont like it, go some place else!'

made me laugh and yelp with joy for a few mins. all this political correctness is driving me mad:rofl

[Toad]

What cha gunna do when they come for you?

What will happen when they vote in Sharia in Jolly Olde?

[RAIDER14]

The U.S. probaly won't do a Nuclear strike probaly just some F117s with bunker busters and B-52 bombing and then the ground troops

[Vudak]

Originally posted by RAIDER14
The U.S. probaly won't do a Nuclear strike probaly just some F117s with bunker busters and B-52 bombing and then the ground troops

The question is though, what ground troops?  I'm of the opinion that if we send our army in from Iraq they're all of a sudden going to find a hellstorm in their rear.  A tactical nuclear strike really might be our only option, at least without significant military help from other nations (even if they'll only agree to hold the rear/peacekeep Iraq while we're gone).

I still say something has to be done.  Ok, so there weren't WMDs in Iraq.  But, suppose there were - I'm pretty sure either Saddam or one of his cronies/successors wouldn't have had a big problem with a little under-the-table action to a local terrorist connection.  Now here we see Iran, who has actually admitted to being on the way to having a nuclear capability.  The same rules should apply.

I was under the impression that the main reason (and, yeah, like everything else, there are others, sometimes not talked about) that Europe was so against our invasion of Iraq was that they felt (quite correctly) that we hadn't proven they had WMDs.  Here we have a country flat out admitting to working towards them (ok, so they "say" for peaceful means).

I hope Bush is working 'round the clock on this one - we need to act fast.  But, I also hope that we'll make a more concerted effort to get some help from Europe and others on this matter.  Our attempt at that for Iraq just seemed like we were simply going through the motions.

Nonetheless, like Seagoon said, Rock/USA/Hard Place.  This is going to be one interesting century.

Anyway, just my take.