Wuz Up With These Flight Dynamics

[LEDPIG]

Hey guys, been playing this for a couple weeks now and i'm really wondering bout these flight dynamics. I been a real pilot since i was sixteen and i have never seen a plane stall so much as the ones in this game. Iv'e seen cessna 152's out perform some of these planes. Never flown a warbird so i'm wondering if anyone who has out there would chime in. I come from flying many other simulators and one sim i use as a benchmark would have to be the Wings of Power planes from Shockwave. The planes modeled by this company have been flown and tested by actual warbird pilots both past and present and given the mark of excellence by these avaitors. When i fly a P-38 over a loop started at 300mph and gotta watch it goin over the top i wonder whats wrong? These planes seem a little lacking on the power side and a little too much on the drag side, weight seems to be modeled very well. The Wings of power planes blast through a lot of situation with thrust and seem a little more accurate on climb performance etc. The P-38 my favorite, seems to be a bit ridiculous and makes me wonder if they shouldn't have taken a citabria into battle instead, most times on every plane in the game you can barely get any turn before your ridin the stall horn and thats with light loadouts. I mean if ww2 planes flew like this you've gotta be kiddin me. I wish AH would check out there flight models some more and introduce a patch. Fly some of the more accurate models in FS 2004 and see what i mean, a world of difference. I mean the general aviation planes in there, the ones iv'e flown in real life are pretty excellent, so i imagine the payware warbirds would be pretty close, but what do i know what do yall think?

[Furball]

there is a well known term to sum up these problems that are quite clear.  we call it y.o.u. for short.

[Ghosth]

Come fly here for a couple of months.

Put your preconcieved notions aside.

Walk into AH leaving your ego at the door (because you'll die a thousand deaths.) and with an open mind.

Then after a few months tell us how the flight model is wrong.
Ohhh and back it up not with subjective "feel" or pilots memory's.
But real world flight test data.

You'll find we are eager to hear what you say if you can prove it.

[Squire]

Nice troll. 4/5.

[LEDPIG]

Iv'e never flown a warbird, never will, general aviation planes are a joke compared to a real warbird, so all in all i know nothing. I wonder if AH has gotten some actual warbird pilots out there to give them some advice, probably so most do nowadays. The only thing iv'e ever touched is a stearmen and that sure ain't no spitfire so i have no clue. I do think the've gotten it pretty close and its amazing they do what they do, but i do think the flight models need some invaluable tweeking to give them that extra feel, the planes seem to fly a bit stiff and not as fluid as in real life. All in all its a game and its fun as hell,and thats what its good for,but i do detect a bit too much ego around here, if this was actually ww2 i bet most of us would be dead in a few days, me probably a few minutes,you guys are way too talented for me, but all in all i give the whole thing two thumbs waaay up!:aok :

[Debonair]

Johnny Johnson (big RAF ace) wrote that even the best piston fighter risked stalling if it wasn't descending after it making two turns...of course P-38s were known to do aerobatic single engine takeoffs.
whats the biggest engine you've flown?
big transition to even a Bonanza from a 152.

WASSSSUP!!!

[LEDPIG]

Wow that Johnny Johnson quote is really amazing. I wisk we could get his advice. Yea the Bonanza leap is a big one,never flown one, but thats a nice plane its almost pretty aerobatic itself. I'm just an aviation nut proud to be in good company!:D

[Simaril]

Im an aviation enthusiast, not a pilot or engineer.

But I've noticed in flight model discussions here that the bottom line seems to be actual aviation physics, used to calculate the look up tables the sim itself uses. (I dont think AH's model does its math on the fly....it IS a table look up isnt it?)

So things like power, weight, drag, and all that engineering coefficient stuff is CENTRAL to the models. Individual pilots -- even those who flew the actual birds in combat -- cannot be objective when they evaluate the plane that kept bringing them home, or the one that killed them. Even great stories, like Johnson's posted recently elsewhere, arent true tests because there are too many variables like pilot skill, fatigue, etc.

I have read that some WW2 vets have played, and said things feel right.

HTC has made it repeatedly clear that they will not compromise on flight model accuracy, that they will represent performance as accurately as possible with data and processors available. I really believe they want to do it as close to right as humanly possible, even if that makes it extra hard on newer guys. Some other companies have very clearly made a different decision, to get people flying more comfortably more easily. Llike you, I cant know whose interpretation is more "accurate" but I'd bet on AH. Even if I'm wrong and this model is too "hard", the challenge makes it more fun....

[OOZ662]

First off, I'd check your preferences under setup and see if you've enabled stall limiter. It's a function that cuts don the plane's performance to reduce spins.

[dedalos]

Just because something is on paper, and someone has that paper, does not mean that someone implemented what is on paper correctly.  Forexample, I am sure we could find papers about Tiger performance.  I am willing to bet that fliping over after hiting a christmas tree will not be found in any of them.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by dedalos
Just because something is on paper, and someone has that paper, does not mean that someone implemented what is on paper correctly.  Forexample, I am sure we could find papers about Tiger performance.  I am willing to bet that fliping over after hiting a christmas tree will not be found in any of them.

[Mustaine]

i don't know who, but it has been talked about at CON's and elsewhere, but supposedly there is a few real WWI vets' includign a p38 pilot who fly AH, and supposedly they say it is as real as it gets.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Mustaine
i don't know who, but it has been talked about at CON's and elsewhere, but supposedly there is a few real WWI vets' includign a p38 pilot who fly AH, and supposedly they say it is as real as it gets.

I think you are thinking of the Red Baron, muahahahahahahah WWI

[Waffle]

Hitech's got some time in a P-51....pretty sure about that one

[Widewing]

Originally posted by LEDPIG
When i fly a P-38 over a loop started at 300mph and gotta watch it goin over the top i wonder whats wrong?  

What's wrong? 17,300 pounds is what is wrong. It's a heavy fighter.

However, you can loop a P-38 beginning at 150 mph, just gotta know how to do it.

My regards,

Widewing