Author Topic: P51 and the 50 cal (Read 2537 times)

Tony Williams · « **Reply #30 on:** April 20, 2006, 07:56:00 PM »

Another point to bear in mind is that, when tested, the average WW2 fighter pilot's ability to judge distance and lead angles was found to be absolutely atrocious. I have no doubt that enough time on a realistic sim would have considerably improved this.

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SgtDibs · « **Reply #31 on:** April 20, 2006, 07:56:17 PM »

Having actually fired a 50 cal at human and metal objects in Vietnam, I think my experiance with the deadly end of a 50 cal round has effected my thought process on the caliber. I should keep in mind that this is simulated and death here has no real no meaning. I have read Tonys book and I have to say I am honored that he took the time to express his expert view.
For the rest of you guys...thanks for the input.

SAS_KID · « **Reply #32 on:** April 20, 2006, 09:33:50 PM »

well... bk im betting you did not make a solid line but made hits enough to line up in a line but it probably being like 10 shots total for it is almost im possible for you in a 51 and the zero turning and you spray and pray him wing tip to wing tip but yet what im guessing it was like D100 and you were only hitting with like 1 or 2 guns but yet why a spit goes down easier cuz you probably BnZ Spray'd and Pray'd and managed to get like 25 rounds or so in one spot with all guns thus blowing him to who knows what. But yet the Spit16 is not a dweeb plane but it should be perked so if it is a plane for noobs why are you getting killed so much by it:lol I meen just because its uber doesn't meen you shouldn't be able to beat it often for this game is realy about the pilots skill.

Edit: Bkbandit what is your in game name for your forum name show's you haven't flown in the MA once do you fly in H2H or something.

bkbandit · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:27:05 AM »

when i attacked the zero it was flat and level, i came from his high 8 o clock and took a nice slow slash across the top(i guess he was asleep at the wheel). When i fought the spit i was flyin level with him at his 3 oclock and he turned right and crossed my face and he gave me a flap shot at him. Who said i got shot down by spit 16s, im just tired of seeing them. I wish i had the film for these. I fly a different name(u noe this already) and like to keep wat happens in the forum separte from the game. If u really want to figure it out im in stuck in h2h currently, it wont be hard to figure out who i am.

Alot of good information. I mean gun coverages and gunnery skills or whats going to bring things down. I have been puting in more time with 50s and sometimes the guns surprise me and just cut a tail or wing off or even just blow him up with the first burst. But u got those couple of times were u just chase a guy down and have to give him a shower of 50 cals before he goes down.

I mean u got alot of guys with alot knowledge on the subect. Tony williams, hammer , and a man that used the gun in combat. I gets no better then this. Sgt i guess a story of u shootin up a car or other vehicle with the .50 would be good piece of information(if it doesnt bother u to post it). Regardless anything alot of great information, i learned alot.

WMLute · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2006, 06:45:09 PM »

another thing to try, and i'm not sure I know how to explain this...

if you really wanna damage 'em, you have to concentrate your fire at one single spot on the nme plane.

So for example when you were diving in on the zeke, you were probably pulling up on your j/s, so the bullets were spread out all over the airframe, and doing little damage. If you time it when you inin the nme, and keep your joystick lvl for a second or two when firing, all the bullets hit one spot and do some pretty major damage. To pull this off, you should aim slightly infront of the nme, so when you shoot, they fly into the bullets that are concentrated in one spot. Same thing with the snapshot you described.

I'm sure y'all can describe this better than I.... So please, chime in.

Hawco · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2006, 11:41:57 PM »

A 50 cal round would severly damage you just by passing you by, If a round went by your neck from say 5-7 inches away, it would more than likely damage it if not actually break it.
Useless trivia I know, but just thought I'd chip in...

Hazard69 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2006, 12:22:31 AM »

Gunning like so much else here in AH is extremely accurately.

The caliber of the gun and the convergence settings are only the begining of the damage modelling process.

The damage inflicted also depends upon RELATIVE MOVEMENT and IMPACT.....

That is:
Hit a B24 wing until it breaks off. Try it offline with the drones. Hit it while following it on its six. Then hit its wing head on while its flying into you, you will find some significant difference.

Online you can get a buddy to fly straight and level. Now get him to go at 200mph and shoot from 200 behind while you are closing at 300mph.
Now next time same setup, u fly around at 200mph and ask your buddy to fly past you. When he reaches 200 fire at him and see the difference. Damage inflicted depends upon the impact of the rounds. Impact decreases with reduced closing velocity and even further when the nme is pulling away.

SAS_KID · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2006, 02:39:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Hawco
A 50 cal round would severly damage you just by passing you by, If a round went by your neck from say 5-7 inches away, it would more than likely damage it if not actually break it.
Useless trivia I know, but just thought I'd chip in...

all true ya know it will kill you without even touching you.