How high are $$$ now

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
The second sentence is correct. How can I ever forget.  

Don`t worry. We are always here to remind you.

And... I would say that in the context of the oil business, which is what this thread is about, anyone talking about supplies from the Gulf would be talking about the Middle East.

I would say when discussing oil issues and Katrina and using the gulf you would have to be a moron to think that the hurricane hit sandland .

Of course, if you've never left texas [/B]

[/QUOTE]

But , as you know, I have, so that is irrelevant also.
Anymore BS you would like to throw around to try to cover your tracks?

[beet1e]

Hi Lazs!

Originally posted by lazs2
As a much needed resource becomes more scarce, it is natural that the price will increase... at a certain level even, oil that was not deemed "recoverable" because of cheaper middle east oil will suddenly become a viable source and prices should.... reflect what that source costs..

No, I agree with this. And profiteering by oil companies during a crisis is a fact of life.

Where I disagree is that a high price is the result of profiteering, or price gouging as you put it, by default. Clearly there are other factors at work, ie. the situation in Iran and the crisis in Nigeria. Read my links. ^

But those people with closed minds refuse to accept these external factors. For them it's  no, no, no - nothing to do with unstable supplies in the middle east, nothing to do with America's heavy dependence on OPEC oil, nothing to do with the natural laws of supply and demand. No, it's all because of some oil business "conspiracy". Again, I'm not saying that the oil companies are whiter than white and as pure as the driven snow, but I do believe that external factors such as the ones I've listed play a part. Of course, for anyone who doesn't realise that there's a whole planet beyond his state line, I can see why this would be difficult to understand, and I'm not talking about you when I say that.

But , as you know, I have [left texas], so that is irrelevant also.

I'm beginning to have my doubts about even that.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
I'm beginning to have my doubts about even that.

Since you evidently live in doubt and a peppermints and incense state of mind I don`t find that surprising.
Cover them tracks hoss. The thread will still be there, so the attempt is sort of lame.

You can rest assured that I spend many sleepless nights worrying and fretting over what you doubt/believe.
For the challenged......

[lazs2]

Hi beet....

I got no problem with price increasing due to scarcity and even a little gouging... I feel that the market will take care of it..  Every voter who watches the democrats turn down exploration when fuel was cheaper is gonna sing a different tune when they figure it out..

ANWAR and off shore and shale oil and coal conversion along with the wussies driving prius and such... all these things will even out the cost at some level

I get a great deal of enjoyment out of the few extra bucks it takes to drive my Healey or el camino... I like putting my foot into it and the rush... Getting there is about 90% of the fun in most cases for me.

I know others enjoy going out to eat and paying $20-200 for a meal and wine for two that has about $1.50 worth of caloric value.  

everyone has something that they "waste" money on....  music... DVD's whatever..

lazs

[Kaw1000]

Did u all notice how gas went way down at christmas time??? Guess our goverment wanted to boost consumer confidence.....another goverment con job!!

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Around these parts, when you speak of "the gulf", you are speaking of the G.O.M., not sandland. that`s your bag.

And you would do well to remember that your country is heavily dependent on oil which does not come from "around these parts", but on oil that comes from "Sandland" as you put it. Of course, there IS oil in "these parts", but nowhere near enough to cater to America's insatiable demand. When demand exceeds supply, guess what? The price goes up! I don't expect you to grasp this at the first attempt, so I'll come back tomorrow.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
And you would do well to remember that your country is heavily dependent on oil which does not come from "around these parts", but on oil that comes from "Sandland" as you put it.  

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Katrina, gulf oil and what was being discussed, but keep covering.
The thread will still be here.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by beet1e
And you would do well to remember that your country is heavily dependent on oil which does not come from "around these parts", but on oil that comes from "Sandland" as you put it. Of course, there IS oil in "these parts", but nowhere near enough to cater to America's insatiable demand. When demand exceeds supply, guess what? The price goes up! I don't expect you to grasp this at the first attempt, so I'll come back tomorrow.

Don't go away mad, beet.

Just go away.

We can figure out the cause and effect of oil prices without yer worthless peanut gallery 'neeener, neeener, neeener' routine every time the subject comes up. And we are well aware that we've been living high up on the hawg with our societal insistance on vehicles that don't look and drive like paper mache boxes on roller skates.

For the Americans in this thread, and the thread starter that asked a simple question about how much the gas is where they live..

http://www.mapgasprices.com

In my Neighborhood; it's $3.56 a gallon. It's finally higher than the price of bottled water.

And to cover the fuel price increase I've given up patronizing prostitutes, titty bars, $6.00 beers and donations to the American Red Cross.

Instead, I'll hump the nympho downstairs, downlad porn, buy kegs and drop the chump change in the old duffers hat down by the train station.

That's not to say i'm not hugely pissed off by what I see as a forced corporate bend-over being perpetrated by Big Oil. But, as usual; what goes around will come around. The citizens will howl at congress, toss out the bastidges that snorted up the lobby oil money and implement a windfall profit tax that will be used to develop higher powered (nuclear) powerplants that will fit under the hood of an F-150.

Rest assured that americans will decide yet again that they don't like being shoehorned into paper mache chitboxes and figure out how to keep the Navigators and Suburbans rollin at 80mph on the interstates.

And if and wen we do get to $6.00 buck a gallon... beetle will be paying $12.00.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Thanks. Proud you are finaly seeing the light.
Here is a clue......................... ....................

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Katrina, gulf oil and what was being discussed, but keep covering.  

In the original post, there is no mention of Katrina and no mention of gulf oil. Try again!

LOL Hangtime! I had a good belly laugh at your post!

We can figure out the cause and effect of oil prices without yer worthless peanut gallery 'neeener, neeener, neeener' routine every time the subject comes up. And we are well aware that we've been living high up on the hawg with our societal insistance on vehicles that don't look and drive like paper mache boxes on roller skates.

LOL - that description neatly sums up the watermelon boxes to be found on American roads c1980/81 after the Iranian Revolution (and subsequent oil crisis). Just remember where the best cars in the world come from, and it's not America. In that country, it's legal and quite normal to drive at 130mph or even much more, never mind a paltry 80mph. BTDT.

What you guys have also failed to take into account is the burgeoning demand for oil being made by China. There is even talk of the Chinese demand for oil exceeding the world supply, unless something is done. But hey, that's all outside America, so you need not concern yourselves with it. Just pretend the problem does not exist, or go and build an orphanage or something:cool:

In the next five years, oil could cost two or even three times what it costs now. Don't say I didn't warn you when that happens.

[uvwpvW]

The oil companies own the oil they produce and sell it to the highest bidder. It is their oil and they decide when and where to sell it, or even not to sell it.

This is the concept of capitalism, why do Americans of all people have a problem with this? If you don't like the price don't buy the product. And if you’re dependant on their product, whose fault is that but your own?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
In the original post, there is no mention of Katrina and no mention of gulf oil.
 

There was also no mention of sandland, but it doesn`t matter due to the fact that "the original post" was not being discussed.
Here...I`ll help you out since your "back" function and "scroll" seems to be out of order.
We also wouldn`t want it to get lost under all the BS you are trying to cover it with.

Another little crazy fact was more recent . Katrina. Sure there was going to be a shortage after that, but not a long one. Also the west coast is not dependent on gulf oil. The prices went up just the same.

Nice try. Please deposit 25 cents worth of BS and try again.

[ASTAC]

Talk about scarcity...Years ago when the "Greenie weenies" bullied our government into forcing gas to be "Cleaner" they came up with this "Summer Blend"...well aparently when they switch over it's not just as easy as "fill the tanks with the summer stuff"

They actually completely drain the large storage tanks at the terminals.

Well,, due to that, and then some sort of mechanical failure at our local terminal(related to the changeover) in Newport News, maybe 1 gas station in 10 actually has any gas at any given time.

You can't even find gas anywhere sometimes!!!

It caused our prices to jump extremely quickly (not gouging just supply and demand).

And although we are just over 3.00 a gallon here..compared to the price it was last week. It's jumped over 20 cents in a week because of this.

The terminal's response "We should be back up to regualr capacity next month sometime"

I don't blame the oil terminal though.

I blame Environmentalists and the Govenrment. Different blends for different regions. on top of that, a different version of each for summer and winter.

I ludicrous..just plain stupid...They want cleaner gas, fine. But lets just run "summer blend" all the time..ans while they are at it make a national standard and make individual state standards null and void.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by uvwpvW
The oil companies own the oil they produce and sell it to the highest bidder. It is their oil and they decide when and where to sell it, or even not to sell it. This is the concept of capitalism, why do Americans of all people have a problem with this? If you don't like the price don't buy the product. And if you’re dependant on their product, whose fault is that but your own?

Excellent post! And quite correct. The more the product (any product) is used, the higher will go the price. Whose fault is it when that happens? Is it the oil companies' fault that Americans have a "societal insistance on vehicles" (as Hangtime put it) that do 12mpg?

There was also no mention of sandland, but it doesn`t matter due to the fact that "the original post" was not being discussed. - jackall

I didn't mention Sandland in my first post.

We can figure out the cause and effect of oil prices without yer worthless peanut gallery 'neeener, neeener, neeener' routine every time the subject comes up.-HangTime

Hey, every country is affected by these oil price hikes - or did you think Britain was somehow exempt? You guys are the ones that go neener neener neener about what we have to pay for road fuel. Fine. But then you get all bent out of shape when you can't afford to run your vehicles that are "societally correct". And it cracks me up.

Like I said, the difference between the gas price whiners and me is not that I am exempt from paying a huge price for road fuel, but that I (unlike those who insist on driving 12mpg guzzlers, a.k.a. "societally correct" vehicles) choose to be the master of my own destiny and do something about the high cost of fuel instead of just whining.

ASTAC - the seasonal blending of fuels is to deal with temperature variations which would otherwise cause problems. Eg. winter diesel does, I believe, contain an anti-waxing agent, without which the fuel would freeze in colder regions. If it were added all year round, it would cost more, and then we'd have even more gas price whine threads!

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by beet1e
ROFL! Why do these gas price whines always originate in the land-o-plenty - cheap gas and all that? When do you ever see me whine about the cost of road fuel? Hardly ever.

No you whine about plenty of other stuff.

Did you know the price per gallon is the same if you drive a hybrid than if you drive an Excursion?

I commute on a bicycle, yet when I buy fuel for my pickup it still is getting close to topping $3.00.