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Offline Urchin

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« on: April 22, 2006, 11:07:44 AM »
Were they really 14 feet thick?  

Its just about impossible to use the plane in the MA, you can lose a plane thats 5 yards away in the bars.  

Its disgusting.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2006, 11:43:35 AM »
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Were they really 14 feet thick?  

Its just about impossible to use the plane in the MA, you can lose a plane thats 5 yards away in the bars.  

Its disgusting.


Cmon urchin quit exaggerating, the bars are only 13'6". :D



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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2006, 11:48:51 AM »
14 feet thick?!?!?!?! :O
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2006, 12:31:08 PM »
i'll tell you a secret :D

press the down arrow until your head hits the headrest, that way the bars are far smaller, and you can get the snapshots nice and easy :)
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2006, 12:52:20 PM »
Agreed, they should be more like the thickness on the 109F and E.  The entire G series suffers from this as well.  Also, the cowl bulges on the G6 and 14 are too big as well.  They should be more out to the side and smaller, and not protrude so highly.  Any of the pictures posted of a 109 cockpit shows this.
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Offline Nosara

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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2006, 02:04:42 PM »
I pretty much fly the 109 all the time. I like the fact that one has to really fly it to get good kills with it. The canopy struts seem large and adds to the challenge. It is tight cockpit and the aft visibility was limited. They tried rearview mirrors allso but the vibration rendered them useless. But the climb rate of the K will get you out of trouble if need be. Flown well it is a dangerous foe.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2006, 02:41:07 PM »
Ya oughta look at the D11.. bombers disappear behind those things
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2006, 04:26:21 PM »
The D-11 has a lot of bars, but they are thin.  

The K-4 has no wierd bars like the D-11, but the standard bars are so thick that the viewable area out the front is almost as big as the bars.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2006, 02:15:41 AM »
Hi,

dont anyone use the arrow key´s, page up/down and F10 to store the best views or are you in the wrong game forum and talk about IL-2/FB/PF (lol)??

In the 109K (same like other 109´s) i have my "headswitch front button view" programmed to move the head rearward and up ward, if i release this button the view snap back to the normal gunsight position. This alone make me able to look around the front up frame while looking strait forward.

The front right and front left view shift the head toward the sidewindow, the front up view shift the head rear upward etc.

In this way i always can look around the fat frames, unlike to IL-2/FB/PF(and other games), where a static headposition in combination with the fat frames provide a unrealistic handycap.

Greetings, Knegel
« Last Edit: April 23, 2006, 02:20:22 AM by Knegel »
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2006, 02:47:10 AM »
I do the same as Knegel, you just have to move your head around and find the best head postion to see from.

Heck, we can probably see out the cockpit of the 109s better than they could out of the real thing, once you start moving your head around.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2006, 09:03:36 AM »
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Heck, we can probably see out the cockpit of the 109s better than they could out of the real thing, once you start moving your head around.


I highly doubt that.

the REAL 109G-6 cockpit:





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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2006, 01:10:25 PM »
That proves my point- I doubt many 109 pilots flew with their face mashed against the side of the canopy and their head rotated around 180 degrees looking straight back, the flipped around to a zoomed in view of their gunsight before yanking their head all the way back down in front of the seat and looking back and up to check their high 6 o'clock position.

All we have to do is move our heads around, and their is no limit to where we can look from, as long as its inside the cockpit. The proportions (and contortions) of the pilot in relation have absolutely nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2006, 02:15:50 PM »
Yeah the Linda Blair syndrome ;) but is that an excuse for not fixing an obvious error in the cockpit model?
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2006, 06:21:19 AM »
"Linda Blair syndrome"

I have heard of that but I'm lucky I have movable eyeballs. I can turn them left and right and probably up and down, dunno, haven't really tried it yet. Hey, I can do it, see!!! :rolleyes:  

It is a good feature because, unfortunately,  my head does not turn 180 deg...

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Hey, BTW notice how thin the armoured window looks from that side view!
« Last Edit: April 24, 2006, 06:24:27 AM by Charge »
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2006, 06:33:36 AM »
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Yeah the Linda Blair syndrome ;) but is that an excuse for not fixing an obvious error in the cockpit model?



I think the graphics are result of a detailed and prolonged research. Just because you think they are too thick doesnt neccessarily make them an "obvious error".
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