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Offline stickpig

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« on: April 23, 2006, 12:00:51 AM »
Can an ostwind be blown up by just cannon fire?

We had an osti tonight that would not die after his turret was taken out.

I mean plane after plane load of 40mm from Hurri D's.... 5-6 spit 16 making multiple runs and emtying all ammo....LA's even dumping all thier rounds.

It became the talk of the room after about 15min's of everyone filling this Ostwind full of lead.  Finally had a Tiger kill him.


Now I've defended map rooms with an Osti, and had plane after plane tear me up but have nerver been killed until a bomb was dropped on me.

So can an Osti be blown up by just plane cannons?
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2006, 12:04:24 AM »
Ostis can get hammered by P-51s.  I can't count the number of those things I've lost to aircraft of all types.  Heck, I've even lost a Tiger to a strafing run by a friggin N1K.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2006, 12:45:03 AM »
I know the 30mm (err 37? I forget) in an osti will kill an osti in about 4 hits... Did it just the other night.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2006, 01:01:20 AM »
Figure you're basically shooting an armored chassis after the turret is gone.  Unless you hit the "ammo" you aren't going to blow it up, per se.  I've have a P51 strafe my T34 and blow it up before, so you never know.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2006, 02:44:20 AM »
What's really fun (and challenging) is taking them out with  spit1 or hurri mk1!
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2006, 05:04:27 AM »
Anyone else have trouble killing an Osti with a HurrIID? I can kill a Tiger with less trouble than an Osti. As a matter of fact I cant seem to kill his turret with the 40mms even after repeated direct hits from straight above. Bad luck or am I missing something?
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2006, 05:28:51 AM »
.303 SHOULD be more effective at taking out ostwind turrets than just about anything.  Those are open topped turrets so there is no protection at all for the crew, a hail of 303 going in there would sure ruin anyone's day, but i dont know if it is modelled as such.

Trick to killing em (i havent tried in Hurri, but IL2 it works) is to come in from a 45 degree angle from above and shoot down into driver.

Failing that you can hit dead centre on the side armour.

Been a while since i did some GV popping but as far as i know nothing has changed.
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Offline 68Ripper

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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2006, 09:12:19 AM »
Beware if I'm in the Osti! hehehe :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2006, 09:36:50 AM »
Last night I kept upping an M-8 and then when a plane tried to strafe me I would shoot them with the turrnet. I killed 4 or 5 lf them last night. Also landed 4 kills right after we took A19. One of them was a 110 I shot the wing off with my turrent :D
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2006, 09:49:12 AM »
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Last night I kept upping an M-8 and then when a plane tried to strafe me I would shoot them with the turrnet. I killed 4 or 5 lf them last night. Also landed 4 kills right after we took A19. One of them was a 110 I shot the wing off with my turrent :D



That's what i use the T34 for.  Since the turret will rotate fast(er), and will go up high, it's good to get a few guys.  Sat in the indestructible on an enemy field for 10-15 minutes and popped them as they came in :D Ended up with like 10 kills when I died or something.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2006, 10:28:28 AM »
It's twitchy & there's no way to predict for certain what is gonna kill a GV. I had my Tiger killed last night at a port, I can't remember which, by Frylock in a C-hog. I had shot out his oil & given him a pilot wound on the first pass using my pintle gun, then a little bit later I'm looking for the LVT's spawning in on the base from the CV & I see him screaming in again 20's blazing in a real shallow dive ( almost level flight actually ); I lifted my barrel & started firing my turret mg getting ready to hit him with an 88 HE & I died while his plane was still in my sights. It couldn't have been a bomb. The only thing it could have been was 20mm from the front that killed a tiger! I would have seen if he fired rockets ( he didn't ) & his plane was still in front of my Tiger so no bomb ( unless he had a self propelled bomb lol )

 I P.M.'d him & asked him how he killed me, if it was a tank I didn't see or an L.V.T. or a bomb. He replied he was busy because I had given him a pilot wound. So I know what he was in & how I died. I gave him a & wrote it off as a glitch that occurs with GV's. Unexplainable ricochets off of the side of a panzer ( broadside 400 yards ) & you are killed with a single hit to the frontal armour ( while you are reloading & cursing the guy that made your rubber ammo )


 P.S. I'm not trying to say I think Frylock was cheating or gaming the game just to be clear. Just that really - REALLY wierd things happen when you're in a GV.

edit: it was a fresh tiger recently supplied & had only been hit with Frylocks previous 20mm pass
« Last Edit: April 23, 2006, 12:21:24 PM by Brenjen »
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2006, 11:51:07 AM »
Hurri D's cannons are also low velocity.
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2006, 12:16:24 PM »
I think that the damage you get is cummulative.  Therefore it is possible to kill anything with anything.  
If your damage is to the point where only X damage is needed to finish you off and X = one round from a chute's 45, should that round hit you, you die.
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2006, 12:19:54 PM »
Sorry, the cumulative damage theory doesn't hold up, as ANY regular GV'er will tell you.

You can sit and hammer away at the same spot without doing ANYTHING.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2006, 01:06:13 PM »
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Originally posted by Brenjen
It's twitchy & there's no way to predict for certain what is gonna kill a GV.  really - REALLY wierd things happen when you're in a GV.


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would agree.

Gun rounds from a plane should rarely if ever destroy a GV outright.
Disable its gun, yes, Disable its engine, Yes, Knock a tread off yes.
Destroy outright. Rare.
The Very vast majority of Tanks. And german tanks in particular werent destroyed outright by aircraft guns (including the ILII) But by bombs.

What most commonly would happen is the Tank would be disabled and because of the complexity of fixing it couldnt be repaired easily byt he crew and unavailability of Tow vehicles they would be abandoned in the feild by the retreating germans.

Thus Tanks should only rarely be actually "destroyed" by an Aircrafts gunfire but rather rendered useless by damaged sustained without availability of repair (GV supplies)
Lacking that. Once a player decided to end mission. then the tank should be rendered destroyed as it would simulate the crew abandoning the vehicle

That being said.
Screwy things DO happen in this game when in GVs.

I've sat there and hit round after round into a tigers tread with AP rounds at point blank range which had no effect.
Yet I've also managed to take out the tread on a Tiger with the machine gun on an M3
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