Author Topic: Spit 14 vs Spit 16 (Read 2431 times)

Bruno · « **Reply #60 on:** April 29, 2006, 05:00:10 PM »

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Thought it was researched and ageed the Tiffy in AH2 was most lilkely from 1943 also.

Another bit of nonsense he repeats. The AH Typhy has a hibred performance, a combination of 9 and 11 lbs boost. Hardly, the 7lb boost of a '43 typhoon...

MW says in the thread below:

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To hopefully clarify; the only logical conclusion I can make with respect to AH is that the black line in the AH chart is +9 lbs, and the red line (emergency) is +11 lbs.

The AH Typhoon actually hits 410 mph @ 17k feet or so...

MW points out:

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The FTHs seem to suggest +9 lb boost, the speeds suggest +11 lbs boost. Bit of a puzzle really... Could be +11 lbs (Sabre IIB), but I don’t think the FTH’s match that.

410 mph could mean 13lbs boost but witht he FTH discrepancies who knows:

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I think +13 lbs/sqin is spot-on! I get 410 mph @ 12800 ft for R7700, and it would be more for RB329.

Typhoon speed performance

Kev367th · « **Reply #61 on:** April 29, 2006, 11:08:58 PM »

Even with its hybrid settings -

From the Tiffy performance thread -
"Comparing the engine chart to the November 1943/July 1944 settings, I'd suspect that the +11 lbs/sqin settings were reserved for the V-1 chasers, at least at first. From Clostermann's books, I'd conclude that 150 grade fuel was made available to fighter units in Europe, too, but I haven't gone back to check the date. (He was flying Tempest not Typhoon, but still ...)"

i.e. 11lbs boost 1st use Nov 1943.

As for the 4 bladed prop -
Granted fitted in 1944, BUT this did little more than decrease the takeoff run by approx 150ft when loaded with external stores.

You are correct though, its another hybrid that will hopefully be sorted out when its turn comes for a remodel.

Angus · « **Reply #62 on:** May 01, 2006, 03:23:13 PM »

The deal is still this, - the RAF don't have a 1945 fighter unperked.
They'd only need a juiced up Spit and a Meteor for it, or a spicy Tempest perhaps.
The LW has the 109K
The US has the P47N and the perked F4U4
The USSR has the LALALA
And the Japs have the Ki84?

Kev367th · « **Reply #63 on:** May 01, 2006, 03:38:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Angus
The deal is still this, - the RAF don't have a 1945 fighter unperked.
They'd only need a juiced up Spit and a Meteor for it, or a spicy Tempest perhaps.
The LW has the 109K
The US has the P47N and the perked F4U4
The USSR has the LALALA
And the Japs have the Ki84?

You missed out the Jan 1945 190-D9. (they were 'ready' for deployment end Dec 1944)

None of the current Spits even at max boost would be 1945.
XIV - 21lbs July 44
XVI/LF IXe - 25lbs May 44

Dunno about the Tempest though.

Angus · « **Reply #64 on:** May 01, 2006, 06:51:05 PM »

Sorry, didn't feel safe to include the dora. All out of my head anyway...
Anyway, the monster would probably be the Merlin powered Spit with the 25 boost, - but yet, the XIV with 21???? Performance???
And low alt modded Tempests? Were there any diver chasers ??
(V-1, which reminds me that there would be nice to see them in AH

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Kev367th · « **Reply #65 on:** May 01, 2006, 09:26:27 PM »

25lbs boost would be OK if it wasn't for the 5 mins limit.
The 5 mins was a advised limit only, not a hard and fixed rule. Pilot could and frequently did go over the 5 mins limit, in some cases WELL over it ( highest I've seen was 30+ mins).
Only proviso was that they had to inform their superiors if they did exceed 5 mins.

Still only makes it a late 44 Spit anyaway, even the XIV with 21lbs was July 1944.

As I said no idea about the Tempests, but will have a dig around.

Only drawback I could see about giving the XVI 25lbs would be the even BIGGER outcry to perk it.

Nemeth · « **Reply #66 on:** May 05, 2006, 09:47:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
In other words.. for AH, the Spit 16 is clearly better.

For n00b's the 16 is the clearly better but fo experienced people the 14 can be very deadly, ive been able to turn with a spit 16 in a 14 before, the only reason the 16 is better is because the stall is lower, the 14 can out spin, out run and in rare cases out turn.

bkbandit · « **Reply #67 on:** May 06, 2006, 12:41:52 AM »

Call a spit16 a noob plane and u got a fight on ur hands. Im not one of those guys that will fight u about it.

Nemeth · « **Reply #68 on:** May 06, 2006, 10:42:18 AM »

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Originally posted by bkbandit
Call a spit16 a noob plane and u got a fight on ur hands. Im not one of those guys that will fight u about it.

Well the 16 is a n00b plane, it can turn with ease without stalling, keep up with a 109k4, and spin like a 190, how is it not a n00b plane??

Its a combiation of all the best planes into one plane, and its wepons are among the deadliest in the game, and not to mension it can carry 1000 lbs of ord, now try arguing that its not a n00b plane.

Bronk · « **Reply #69 on:** May 06, 2006, 10:50:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Nemeth
Well the 16 is a n00b plane, it can turn with ease without stalling, keep up with a 109k4, and spin like a 190, how is it not a n00b plane??

Its a combiation of all the best planes into one plane, and its wepons are among the deadliest in the game, and not to mension it can carry 1000 lbs of ord, now try arguing that its not a n00b plane.

.rant on

Lemme spell it out for you little miss superior.
It's not the plane it's the pilot.
I for one am glad both the la7 and the XVI are perk free.
Both planes help beginners learn with a little bit of success.
OMG the horror that a beginner might learn and be able to transition to a different ride.

.rant off

Bronk

mentalguy · « **Reply #70 on:** May 06, 2006, 01:11:58 PM »

its how i learned

bkbandit · « **Reply #71 on:** May 06, 2006, 07:48:47 PM »

I learned with it aswell. BUt it really is over done. I would dog fight with bombes and a drop tank and not feel it. The only reason i stoped flyin it is because i started changin my style kept breakin the plane. If the plane didnt break i would have prob stood in it. Then u got all of the "stop flyin that dweeb and get in a really plane" talk. I like my corsair better anyway. But it was real rough switchin over. The plane really doesnt let u leave it, the way it performs lets u make alotttttt of mistakes and still land a 2 kill sortie. Most of beginners will just stay in it. WHen i fight against one one of my advantages is that the guy is a noob. If u hav no turnin ability u just better hop u can out run it, and the thing aint slow. I would give a noob somethin he could learn with then apply the same type of fight wit in another plane. The things i do with f4u i couldnt have done in the spit 16. I had to leanr a different style of fight. Give the new guy somethin he can learn with and grow with at the same time.