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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #270 on: May 11, 2006, 07:02:46 PM »
I might as well be having a discussion with a brick.
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« Reply #271 on: May 11, 2006, 07:09:19 PM »
Well, let's study that problem some more.
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« Reply #272 on: May 11, 2006, 08:24:44 PM »
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I might as well be having a discussion with a brick.


   Here ya go Sandi.... a place where your views fit right in .....

    2006 Immigrant Rights Club Educational

Guide.....http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/752/1/105/
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God the BK's are some some ugly mo-fo's. Please no more pictures, I'm going blind Bet your mothers don't even love ya cause u'all sooooooooo F******* ulgy.

Offline Sandman

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« Reply #273 on: May 11, 2006, 08:26:38 PM »
I should have said bricks.

:rolleyes:
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« Reply #274 on: May 11, 2006, 11:38:37 PM »
WTF..

Sandy is correct.. Toad is correct.. and Laz is correct.

And.. gawdammit, securing this nations borders is not an issue that's debatable. We are at war.. They should be secure. Period.

No new FEDERAL laws need be enacted.. just enforce the ones we have.. including allocating the funds necessary to do the enforcement. Employers fined and /or jailed, illegals deported.

The only new legislation required devolves around state's.. it's assinine for a state to deny their involvement in the creation of this problem... as long as they issue a drivers license without documentation and prohibit the police from acting to deport or detain for federal persual of policy the illegals.. then it's THEIR problem. On the Federal level.. enforce the laws on the books now, and States need to accept responsibility for their local dillema.
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« Reply #275 on: May 12, 2006, 02:32:01 AM »
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WTF..

No new FEDERAL laws need be enacted.. just enforce the ones we have.. including allocating the funds necessary to do the enforcement.  


Funds?

Cost of the Iraq war to the border states:

California: 36 billion
Arizona: 3 billion
New Mexico: 900 million
Texas: 21 billion
Louisiana: 2.5 billion
Mississippi: 1.2 billion
Alabama: 2.6 billion
Florida: 15 billion


........pissed away.

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« Reply #276 on: May 12, 2006, 08:03:00 AM »
Nash, to be fair you should include the costs to those states of all other military and humanitarian actions funded since the Punitive Expeditions into Mexico. Since it was money spent in the pursuit of interests other than the security of the Southern US border, it was equally "pissed away" in the context of securing the Southern US border. Don't forget to account for inflation since we're going for a fair and impartial analysis.

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« Reply #277 on: May 12, 2006, 08:19:17 AM »
On May         1st, as a result of the Mexican boycott,
>national retailers reported 4.2% lower sales for         the
>day,         with a 67.8% reduction in         shoplifting....
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« Reply #278 on: May 12, 2006, 09:56:48 AM »
hang... sandie is not in the least correct since he offers no solution at all except to maybe form a committe.... probly headed by diane finestien...

to "study" the problem..  What he advocates is to continue with the lawlessness so long as it brings new socialists into the country and gets his lawn mowed.

There are plenty of "studies" on the cost/benifiet of illegals in this country.  Most show that that if everything is taken into consideration....  it is a wash or costing us.. at the current rate... it will only get worse tho as more illegals flood in.

The costs we can't measure is the cost to learning and the cost of seeing the law ignored by those who swore to uphold it.   Why should I obey the law?  especialy if breaking it will get me to work faster or be better for me in some way?  

As toad pointed out and sandie ignores... the laws are on the books.. people have sworn to enforce them...

We either do that or change the laws.  those are the only options... study before enforcement or change is not an option.

If these employers are breaking the law we need to arrest them and run them through the system that is in place...

 Any illegals caught need to be deported.

No illegals should be allowed schooling in a taxpayer funded school.

the border needs to be secure.

this will take time and give finestein and company plenty of time to "study" the problem.

In the end... everyone will just agree that what happened was that we didn't arrest enough employers and we made it too tempting to be an illegal alien here tho.

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« Reply #279 on: May 12, 2006, 03:38:01 PM »
Lazs u cant argue with that.  

But what do u mean by "any illegals caught".  I can go to 18th ave right now and "catch" 30 of them or a can just go to ur average business car washs, land scaping, moving companys, fruit stands, deli"s, construction, pizzeria's, etc and get a whole bunch of illegals.  Do u want cops on the beat to bring them in?

Hiring illegals is against the law but if you think about it this is just a business man being a business man.  He's trying to get the most porfit that he can and the fact that these illegals are all over and working for peanuts of course there goin to take advantage of the situation. Yes i would like to see them pay for breaking the law, but instead of jailin them and doing all the paper work i would just ticket the hell out of them.  And still they will probably just say that they didnt know that he hired illegals, that will be another hassel.

Geting after the employer will leave them with out jobs but what if they hang around.  I dont think they will just start walkin back as soon as joes moving company wont hire them.  If u start roundin them up and shipin them back im pretty sure they will start goin back faster.  Haveing the cops do bring them in(i dont think theres nobody better for this sort of thing) might cause other problems like profiling but it really isnt hard to pick these guys out.  

No we shouldnt pay for there schoolin or health care.  BUt heres the trick, the jump other and hav a whole mess of kids here.  I would send there kids back too but i dont think its that simple.  That will probably be a whole new debute in itself.

They need to handle this illegal problem all ready, goverment officals are sitting on there hands.  The laws are there in black and white, whats the problem send them back.

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« Reply #280 on: May 12, 2006, 11:10:52 PM »
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hang... sandie is not in the least correct since he offers no solution at all except to maybe form a committe....


Please point to the post where I stated anything about committees. Oh... and who decided that we can't point out a problem without providing a solution? You? Pfft.

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There are plenty of "studies" on the cost/benifiet of illegals in this country.  Most show that that if everything is taken into consideration....  it is a wash or costing us.. at the current rate... it will only get worse tho as more illegals flood in.



...and yet, earlier you stated that the true costs could never be known.

Whatever...
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« Reply #281 on: May 13, 2006, 09:52:09 AM »
sandie... you can indeed point out a problem without offering a solution but it is dishonest to simply tear down solutions when you really do have an agenda.   I believe that your politics are best served by allowing as many illegals in the country as possible and.... figuring out a way that they can vote the socialist party of the democrats.

As for "cost" I said that simple ledger costs can be tallied in dollars and cents the billions a year to educate for instance... that is simple..  it is not so simple to add up what it costs us to lower our education standard to suit these third worlders..... pretty simple difference really.

Nope.. the laws are on the books...  enforce em.  I see hesitation in judges to do the right thing so... like in so many other cases.... we need a mandatory jail time for hiring.. other than that....

simply enforce the laws.

regular cops can arrest for no ID or false ID and then turn over to immigration.

bandit.... you are correct... some will hang out but... the tide will slow to a trickle...  we will then have resources to gather up the hard core criminal types who won't leave.... most, those here to support a family, will just leave... not point in being here if they can't send money back to the family.

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« Reply #282 on: May 13, 2006, 10:07:37 AM »
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sandie... you can indeed point out a problem without offering a solution but it is dishonest to simply tear down solutions when you really do have an agenda.   I believe that your politics are best served by allowing as many illegals in the country as possible and.... figuring out a way that they can vote the socialist party of the democrats.


Go easy on the koolaid. Some of us in this country don't buy into the red/blue polarizing nonsense.

I'm not a democrat.
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« Reply #283 on: May 13, 2006, 10:22:49 AM »
If you do not see the polarization of voting in the red blue areas then you are blinded by agenda...  If you do not see the agenda of the democratic party on the issue of illegals then...

you are a fool or you think we are.  

Or is it a coincedence that the democratic party spokespeople sound just like you?   "let's do nothing... let's study it.... let's not be too hasty.... let's remember they are simply undocumeted immigrants and not criminals.... it is impossible to do anything about...  studies show we will all die with our lawns not mowed if we get rid of em."  you are probly not a democrat... like me you probly hate them like I hate republicans but.... you vote for em when the green party or the peace and love or socialist party can't get in or... a repulican might..... just like I vote republican when a libertarian can't tget in or a democrat might.

LOL... I would bet anything that you want them to continue to come in at the same rate and to get more and more rights until they are at last able to vote.... I would bet that you are ok with educating their kids and giving em drivers licences.

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« Reply #284 on: May 13, 2006, 10:31:10 AM »
Blah blah blah...

Prove I'm wrong. You don't know the true economic costs of 15 million illegal immigrants and you don't know the cost of immigration reform.

Let's just ignore all that and talk about your ridiculous perceptions of me.
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