Originally posted by Ripsnort
Midnight, you must be one of the brain-washed over-paid union types that claim you're not getting paid enough yet produce much less than your European counter-parts. 
I'm guessing you didn't even read that article, did you Midnight?
Sorry, but I do not work in a Union, I actually despise most of them (you can search my forum posts in regards to unions). I work at a small company (less than 20 employees) and I think I get paid plenty.
I read about half of the article, and it basically is summarizing some study about new jobs that are suppsedly being or going to be created by 2008.
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Seriously, speaking in my little world of outsourcing, we couldn't hire qualified personal fast enough to test the applications we support. By outsourcing that work when our plate got full, we filled the niche AND hired more people to manage those contractors we outsourced to.
Do you really expect people to believe that with all of the out-of-work tech support and software engineers in the US, you couldn't find enough qualified to do the work here? What's the qualification; willing to work for below poverty wages or software testing experience?
Then you want people to believe that because you hired out-sourced people, you then hired even more local people to manage them? Why couldn't the local people do the out-sourced job in the first place? If they are qualified to manage the ones doing it, shouldn't they be qualified to do the job, or do you hire managers that don't know the job people working under them are doing? If they don't know the job themselves, how can they manage?
Originally posted by Ripsnort
In other words, we not only have been making schedule on our ever-increasing test schedules, but we're creating more jobs both overseas and here in the U.S. The other option was to put buggy software into engineering production.
Please elaborate. For conversation sake, say you sent 500 software testing jobs over-seas. What new jobs, and how many, were created here in the US for the 500 Americans to fill?
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Another big problem in our department is, folks usually use our group as a way point onto other jobs due to the Tedious , repetitiousness of testing software applications. Frankly, people get bored. We pay good money to do this job, but pretty soon one gets real bored (thus my transition to PM).
Your last statement is very close to the reason we have all the illegal immigrant troubles, isn't it? You're basically saying Americans don't want to do this work, so we need to hire non-US citizens to do it, weather they come here illegally, or we have to send the job to them.
It makes it sound like Americans just don't want to work for a living unless the job is full of excitement or high in glamor and presteige.
