Dam the new Camaro

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Originally posted by bkbandit
I seen the pics of that trans am a while back.  

There not killin the gto.  There goin to restyle it thank god.  BUt it aint goin nowhere.  Chevy is killin the monte carlo this year so they will have room for camaro later.

If u can buy a GTO in 2007, more power to you, but I doubt u will be able to. So far they have yet to find a frame for the GTO, no frame, no car.
Maybe you consider stoping the Camaro production in 2002 "restyling", but at the time "Scraping" was on everybody's mouth.

I have a find who's like you, he has a V6 80s Camaro (85 I think), and he doesn't like the subsequent models. I think he's nuts, has I would take that : Deliberate choice of picture to induce CNN style brain wash

Over that


But to each his own taste. (I love the retro 70, more than anything else, even the new stang. BTW the gold/black one you saw is a remake of the Shelby GT350Hertz Mustang, as those where available for rent to the general public from 66 to 68. I know a couple of guys that used t rent them, swap the engine with there's for the week end, drag race, swap the engine back, and return the car)

[uvwpvW]

Originally posted by Kurt
The pontiac mark on the front says Firebird ( lets not get into the big bird on the hood)... But whatever... An F car is and F car... camero... Firebird.. The only difference is pontiac sticks more plastic garbage on it...

Any how... Looks like the design guys at Chevy are making a half hearted attempt to follow Dodge's beautiful idea... Sadly, it looks like chevy kinda missed the mark and made a bastardized ugly bird/camaro and the Dodge kids hit the nail right on the head and drove it straight into hell

Looks too european. Sort of looks like an old Opel Manta to me.

[Kurt]

Originally posted by uvwpvW
Looks too european. Sort of looks like an old Opel Manta to me.

Thems fightin words!  

Actually, thats funny how similar it is, but only in shape in the frond end... Its about twice as big and has more than 4 times the horsepower of an Opel.

Those pictures above are to scale...

Notice how the Dodge could easily run over the opel.

[uvwpvW]

LOL

Btw. that particular Opel has about 500 hp under the hood, but it's greatly modified.

[uvwpvW]

Pretty insane if you ask me.

http://www.fastdrive.org/1/p/car-videos/car-videos.php?view.380.0.25

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Kurt

Any how... Looks like the design guys at Chevy are making a half hearted attempt to follow Dodge's beautiful idea... Sadly, it looks like chevy kinda missed the mark and made a bastardized ugly bird/camaro and the Dodge kids hit the nail right on the head and drove it straight into hell

HELL YEAH!

I am not a dodge fan but that thing is SICK.

[bkbandit]

I apreciate other cars, i just think that its more of a chip foose car then a 2009 or whenever it is supposed to come out(or if)  I seen the car and the thing i really didnt like about the car was the interior, there to much pastic in there.  Its a nice car but  all it does is make u want the 1970 challenger.  The car should be ablle to stand alone as a new model not a retro challeger.  Its a nice machine and i would like to see it come out, but i dont think dodge has a spot on the roster to fit it.

I heard that there buildin restyled gto on the same chassis as the camaro(they say its a concpet but there comin out with it).  If a trans am was to come out i would like to see it come out with a different chassis then the camaro, so it could be a different car. They can always build the gto on the g6 chassis and do a trans am on the camaro chassis but i would like to see a different car.  Im watchin smokey and the bandit rite now and if they can do somethin like that i would love it.  I hate that the camaro and trans am are pretty much the same car.  And now there goin to use the same engine, not like in the 60s and 70s when u would the pontiac 400s and chevy 396s.

My biggest concern with all these cars is goin to be the price.  If they want an arm and leg for one it dont matter how nice it looks.  Look what they did with the vette, the zo6 is like 80 grand. I remember when a new one was 50 grand and that was alot.

[uvwpvW]

The Vette is no longer the poor man's Ferrari it once was. It has evolved into a supercar in its own right, and with the price tag to match.

[Sandman]

That front on view of the Challenger looks great... unfortunately, it doesn't look nearly as good from the sides, IMHO. I can't pinpoint it what i dislike about it... maybe it's the short nose.

[bkbandit]

The corvette in my eyes should never be 80 grand.  And for 80 grand theres alot better cars out there, the funny thing is this was told to me by the salesman at the chevy dealership, the zo6 is a limited edition the salesman told me because for that price gm wasnt excpetin to sale many.  I think the regular ls2 vette is like 40 grand.  The zo6 should be no more then 55 grand, now thats a poor mans super car.  That car would be unbeatable for that price. The lotus elise is suppoed to be like 45 50 grand and this is a car that can race against a porche so why would i give gm 80 for a vette.  I dont think the vette is a super car for the simple fact that it cant beat its competition. If a z06 vette could go and beat the hell out of a lambo i wouldnt care if it was 80 grand but the thing was no chance.  The last great vette was the zr1 which could hang with a ferrari for a fraction of the price.

I love muscle cars and i think america needs them.  When we lose in baseball to the japs theres a problem and dont forgot that our players are the highest paid players in the world.  I want to see the camaro and the challenger on the street along with a newly styled gto(or trans am watever comes first) and the mustang.  The issue is goin to be the price.  Look at the average national income and that should dictate the dam price.  These cars are supposed to be for everybody.  I excpet the gto and challenger to be alittle more expensive but camaros and mustangs were always ur beginner level muscle car(unless u had a zL1 camaro or a gt500).  I dont think it should cost a arm and leg for a 330 horse strong tranny and tight rear car.  There not race cars there FUN cars.  These cars aint hand crafted there machine built and tested.  I dont want to here "well younger kids will prob speed with it" because i see alot of hondas and acuras speedin and nobody is jackin there prices.  I talk to old men and they say "well my first car was this nice little 67 camaro, i loved the way that 302 sounded".  Corvette wants to be 38 40 grand no problem but camaros is a different story.  Look at gto sells, there horrible becuase younger guys cant afford them.  The older guy will hav credit built up and enuff to go after a vette. Im pretty sure the one thing we all have in common is the love for muscle cars, there nothin like them in the world(they make the voices go away:lol ). Problem is that muscle cars in there day were affordable.  If u could make a srt4 neon and have it run a high 13 second quarter mile(watch is almost as fast as the stock camaros in 2002) for 20 grand y not give me a v8 that can do it in 12 for 22 or 24 grand.

[DiabloTX]

[bkbandit]

how do u post pics, i got a pic of one with a different grill.

That a good shot that shows the curves on the car.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by bkbandit
I apreciate other cars, i just think that its more of a chip foose car then a 2009 or whenever it is supposed to come out(or if)  I seen the car and the thing i really didnt like about the car was the interior, there to much pastic in there.  Its a nice car but  all it does is make u want the 1970 challenger.  The car should be ablle to stand alone as a new model not a retro challeger.  Its a nice machine and i would like to see it come out, but i dont think dodge has a spot on the roster to fit it.


My biggest concern with all these cars is goin to be the price.  If they want an arm and leg for one it dont matter how nice it looks.  Look what they did with the vette, the zo6 is like 80 grand. I remember when a new one was 50 grand and that was alot.

 LMAO lots a plastic he says . Show me a modern pony car that doesn't have a ton of plastic.  The days of a cheap pony car are gone period end of story. The last cheap pony car was the 86 mustang lx notch back ($9700)
The reason why it was so cheap.... no frills. This was the last true pony car.
this car could be spec out with..
1. no AC  (less weight,  no power robbing extra pulley)
2. No power anything  ( all those motors to move stuff mean weight)
3. 3.73 gears  for a minimal fee you could get good rear gear with posi traction.
4. no premium sound ..  Use the $$ to buy the rear gear .
5. lx notch back weighed less..
This was a true pony car for its time.. cheap fun.

All these so called  modern pony cars have to much crap.
If the manufacturers would go back to basics... like the above set up.
Then they would sell a ton of cars.
Make the people who want all the crap pay for for it . Not the guy who wants a no frills pony car.

It's to simple so it would never happen.


Bronk

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by DiabloTX

That will do well when the mullet becomes a popular hair style again.

[bkbandit]

Take a good like at the interior of the challenger and ull see wat im sayin.  Its not like the plastic in my boys 99 mustang.  I figured it would at least be a high grade plastic.  

I want them to have a straight "joe performance" pony car aswell.  Take out all the power things like power seats, mirrors, windows, keyless entry,remote start, heated seats,etc.  A simple maybe 2 speaker sound(one in each door)system with a single disc player and a am/fm radio, after that maybe an ac and that it. Leather seats r optional but for the "joe performance" car a solid grade of plush would do just nicely(pluch like in my boys 99 mustang is great, u dont really miss the leathers).  A solid black interior with the exterior color of my choice.  The rest of the car is all business, the only computers i want on the car is the fuel injection system and the traction control. I simple drive train, a 350 engine with 330 horse backed with a rock solid 4 speed or 3 speed auto(my choice) with a hardcore 3.73 rear.  This would be ur z28 package. For general motors to mass produce a car like this cant cost them much.  Look at lotus and there elise, they designed a car to give u the best bang for ur buck, why cant our auto companys do the same(there a bunch of crooks) This is a performance package for a guy that wants to move not a guy that want to do his nails.


I rather see a guy with a mullet then i guy walkin down the street with a hand bag.  Men need to start actin like men.  I see toooo many guys that go to nail salons with there women, i ask myself whos wearin the skirt in this situation.  Maybe some muscle cars will put that fire back in them and remind them that there men.