Author Topic: Dam the new Camaro (Read 1743 times)

Halo · « **Reply #60 on:** May 12, 2006, 05:58:44 PM »

I always had the hots for the extremely clean but snazzy looking 1981 Firebird WITHOUT the decal and spoiler. Drove one once, liked it, but ... (sigh) ... just wasn't me.

Who is me? 2005 Camry dark gray 4 cylinder automatic LE sedan ... the essence of practical.

bkbandit · « **Reply #61 on:** May 12, 2006, 06:52:50 PM »

U need that big bird on the hood of any trans am. It just completes the car.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #62 on:** May 12, 2006, 06:53:02 PM »

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Originally posted by bkbandit
v6 pony cars suck.

I completey disagree. My '96 Camaro with the 3.8 Series II V6 5-speed manual has about 225 hp after the mods I did and I still get killer gas milage. When I fled Houston last summer from Hurrican Rita I drove it out to El Paso and still averaged 33 - 35 mpg. Bash V6's all you want, I really like mine.

bkbandit · « **Reply #63 on:** May 12, 2006, 07:29:03 PM »

When u get a camaro or mustang the gas mileage is the last thing u should be lookin at(even though now its goin nuts). If u want to save gas these type of cars are the last thing u should be lookin at. Look at the new mustang, its a 4 liter v6, thats too big for a v6. For that they should give me the 4.6(im not a ford guy but i miss that 302). At least in the 90s there was a size difference now the 6s are getting to big. I wonder wat the difference in manufactureing cost is between the 4.0 v6 and the 4.6 v8 would be.

diablo im pretty sure if u had a choice u rather have a lt1 in that camaro. I noe guys with 6s and they save there money for an engine swap and dont even look to put mods.

I was watchin a clip from automobile mag on the camaro. The guy said that gm could prob offer a v8 for the price of the 6.

V8s for everyone.

J_A_B · « **Reply #64 on:** May 12, 2006, 07:34:18 PM »

"I completey disagree. My '96 Camaro with the 3.8 Series II V6 5-speed manual has about 225 hp after the mods I did and I still get killer gas milage. When I fled Houston last summer from Hurrican Rita I drove it out to El Paso and still averaged 33 - 35 mpg. Bash V6's all you want, I really like mine."

It's also slower than my Roadmaster (which is a land whale if ever there was such a thing). If you want a practical car, why not buy something that has a real back seat and a useful trunk? A V-6 muscle car just seems like the worst of all worlds.

J_A_B

DiabloTX · « **Reply #65 on:** May 12, 2006, 07:36:24 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
It's also slower than my Roadmaster

You may test that assumption at your convenience...

It's not all about practicality.

I've always loved F-bodies.

I've had a '77 T/A that was highly modified and a '65 GTO that was even more radical.

I just don't feel the need to burn down my tires through 4 gears anymore.

Kurt · « **Reply #66 on:** May 13, 2006, 12:26:51 AM »

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Originally posted by DiabloTX
I completey disagree. My '96 Camaro with the 3.8 Series II V6 5-speed manual has about 225 hp after the mods I did and I still get killer gas milage. When I fled Houston last summer from Hurrican Rita I drove it out to El Paso and still averaged 33 - 35 mpg. Bash V6's all you want, I really like mine.

Wow, neat. My Dodge Dakota has you by 25 HP dead stock and after a tiny investment of about 400 bucks its got you by 50... its a truck. And if the V8 engine was in a car shaped like your Camero it would have probably beat your milage too..But even in a 4400 pound square truck it gets 20mpg. The Camero comes in about 70% of the weight and lower aerodynamic drag... I'm pretty sure that your rather large V6 could be better replaced with a small v8... But Chevy is way too stupid to offer one.

Chevy really only has one V8 engine... ONE... And that is just a 30 year old design brought into the modern age with overhead cams. If they would get with the program and make something TRULY new, people would come buy it. But there is no such thing as a sexy v6.

GM has tried to sell us on the 'hot' v6 since 1985... And it has never worked.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #67 on:** May 13, 2006, 12:45:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Kurt

Wow, neat. My Dodge Dakota has you by 25 HP dead stock and after a tiny investment of about 400 bucks its got you by 50... its a truck. And if the V8 engine was in a car shaped like your Camero it would have probably beat your milage too..But even in a 4400 pound square truck it gets 20mpg. The Camero comes in about 70% of the weight and lower aerodynamic drag... I'm pretty sure that your rather large V6 could be better replaced with a small v8... But Chevy is way too stupid to offer one.

Chevy really only has one V8 engine... ONE... And that is just a 30 year old design brought into the modern age with overhead cams. If they would get with the program and make something TRULY new, people would come buy it. But there is no such thing as a sexy v6.

GM has tried to sell us on the 'hot' v6 since 1985... And it has never worked.

So you think that by what a vehicle "is" determines what horsepower it "should" have. What insight. There are plenty more trucks that have more horsepower than my V6, whooop de doo. So what if Chevy only has "one" V8, does having 5 mean it's better in some way? Oh, love the "brought into the modern age" comment. Both basic designs are over 100 years old even though the "cam in block" design did come out first. Ford's first modular 4.6 SOHC V8 produced a whopping 215 bhp. I like how classic designs that are upgraded which make them competely competive are still derided as not being an equal to a newer design simply due to the fact that it isn't "new". No one said anything about a V6 being sexy, hell no. Those Buick Grand Nationals and Trans Am GTA pace cars sure were POS's according to your logic.

bkbandit · « **Reply #68 on:** May 13, 2006, 04:17:16 AM »

A v6 muscle car really doesnt serve a purpose. Its like a b52 filled with water ballons instead of bombs, u look big and powerful but when its time to drop ur not hurtin nobody. If u just gonna cruze a four door really seems better then a pretend muscle car. U put mods on it showin that u want some type of performance. A stock lt1 fast enuff wit out mods. U had 400 cid and a 389cid in ur other cars:aok i dont understand why u would try to mod a v6. If thats what u like go for it but i think a moded a v6 is a waste of time.

The 1980 turbo trans am was a 4.9 v8 but i think the 80s pace car was the grand national motor. In the 80s they didnt noe how to make horse:lol , look at the 92 5.7 tpi and the 93 5.7 lt1. We started gettin horse power back in the 90s, those emissions killed our cars for a while. But the horse is here now and i hope it stays.

There aint nothin wrong with my small block and over the years its just getting better. The new ls7 has 500 pluse horse and gets mileage like the ls2 with that system that lets u cruze on 4 cyclinders and when its time to bogie rock on all 8. Thats a BIG step. In the 60's 500 horse would eat 7 miles a gallon or worst. Then the thing can run on either gasoline or ethanol. These arent no old designs, this is new tech. I didnt see any i roc camaros runing 400 horse and doin 25 miles or better on gas. The small block chevy has been out for i think over 50 years. They still work on the same principle but when u got down to it the engines now are alot more advanced. Ford has been doin the 289cid engine since the begining of time, there aint nothin wrong with it(i rather see the 302cid come back but o well). The 289 got 300 horse. I dont even now what dodge got, all i noe is that they think that they can make anything sell by writeing hemi on it.

There supposed to build the camaro(concept my bellybutton this is comin out) on the zeta platform. The zeta chasis is supposed to be a joint deal with holden and chevy. Indenpendent front and rear susepension. I hope they make all of them v8s. Give me a 5.3(330horse) 6.0(400horse, but please more torque) and i would like to see them come out with somethin to race the cobra. Super charge the 6.0 or put a torquey ls7. I would like to see a 5.7 liter but i noe it aint goin to happen.

Frenchy im lookin for any trans am stuff but nothin. They have to kill the gto for a transam to come out. There supposed to redesign it so i guess then they can figure out whether the junk it or not. Unless they make the gto real sexy and give it crazy horse, like 500 plus pit it agaisnt the gt500 and only offer the car as a 500 horse option. Then u would have room to start think about a transam. So they they can offer the solstice, trans am, and higher up have the gto. I want to see all the muscle cars come out. Hondas are gay, that fast and furious movie filled those morons heads with these ideas that this 1. somethin liter is goin to beat me. Then when u rape them in the straight they think u have all types of mods on the car and dont want to believe that its stock.

If i misspell sorry, its 4am:lol

bkbandit · « **Reply #69 on:** May 14, 2006, 04:13:49 AM »

I just read off road and track that there killin the gto by the summer. Now is the time to start ask for a trans am. They can build it on the zeta platform but i really want the camaro and transam to be 2 different cars. The camaro concept is the one they should go wit, i seen it at the show, it looks like a camaro should look and can stand on its on as a 08 instead of a remake of a 69 and hopefully i can get that to replace my 86(give her some time in the garage). The camaro takes after the first gen so maybe the trans am can take after the second gen. Give them the same engine and drive train but give them different bodys, and yes put that big bird on the hood

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GM i think learned there lesson and will spend alot more time on design. A holden with gto stickers is still a holden no matter how much horse it got. Dealers across the country or goin to be stuck with those gto for a while.

Forums like this dont go on noticed. I seen alot of different threads askin for a camaro since 03 04. They want information on how to make there products better and more desireable GM Dodge and ford can just go on the web and get it straight form the horses mouth.

mora · « **Reply #70 on:** May 14, 2006, 04:56:17 AM »

Brokeback Chevrolet

Kurt · « **Reply #71 on:** May 14, 2006, 10:33:59 AM »

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Those Buick Grand Nationals and Trans Am GTA pace cars sure were POS's according to your logic.

Show me one that is still on the road! They were garbage. I worked at Pontiac when those two were in the showrooms.. They were the hottest car around BUT, that was a low point in automotive history. Its easy to shine when you're surrounded by other garbage. Today's market is MUCH more interesting, and you can't keep throwing the same bone and expect the buyers to respond. This is one of the reasons GM is suffering so much right now - they refuse to move foward. Bolting more plastic body panels onto a car is NOT progress.

With regard to your remark about the basic technology being 100 years old... We all know that. Thanks for the lesson. But what I was talking about is that the Chevy 350 is essentially the same engine today that it was in 1968. Meanwhile every other manufacturer has moved on.

Granted, the chevy small block IS a classic and reliable engine. But, it simply isn't the best way to get things done anymore. And bolting on fuel injection, computers and new heads aren't going to move it forward.

Chevy V6's do make good power for what they are. But, when you look at the displacement of those V6's, they are huge. Its not like they are getting really great power for their displacement. And Historically speaking (no smack at your Camero personally) they don't last. I assume you'll post a remark about some guy you know who has one with 300k miles on it, and thats great. But for the vast majority, they don't last.

bkbandit · « **Reply #72 on:** May 14, 2006, 02:55:14 PM »

There aint much u can change about the 350. Compare ur 67 350 sbc to a ls2. The ls2 is completey different. What type of new engine do u want, u what a chevy jet engine in the car? NO other company has any "new" type of engine, there all things that have been being upgraded for years. And dont say the mazda rotarty engine because those have been out since the sbc came out. I love my sbc, there getting better and more effieceint(please excuse my spelling im alittle tired). Yea u can get a 2.4 with 240 horse but the thing has no torque. Sbc has good horse and great torque. Look at the ls2 it makes more then 1 horse per cubic inch and thats with out any mods:D , and it has great torque(i think it should have more torque then horse but that just me). All that and ls2 can still cruze without eating that much gas. U cant compare a 67 sbc to a current gen sbc.

Chevy v6 aswell as ford v6s are a waste of metal. There to big to even consider being a v6. A 4 liter v6 ford........give me a break. Put v8s in all of them, ford can make v6s for the same price as the v8, the v6 is only .6 liters smaller. Ford should make the 4.6 the standard most engine and bring back the 302's back. I seen video from automobile mag and a gm insider said that they can build v8s for the same price as v6s, they can give u a 327 standard and then have the ls2 as the higher package. A v6 muscle car isnt desireable, the big three need to learn this, ever time i think about a camaro its a always a tire smokeing machine, v6s arent meant for this.

Treize69 · « **Reply #73 on:** May 16, 2006, 02:05:37 AM »

The new Mustang V6 has almost as much power stock as the '94 V6 limited edition that Saleen put out with a Vortech blower on it- after some slight tweaking and a CAI, I pull about 215HP/210#s of torque, where the Saleen was rated at 220/250. Couple that with the GT suspension and Pirelli tires, almost even 50/50 weight distribution, and about 30MPG (it'll cruise at 80Mph turning 2,300RPM) and I'm quite happy with my V6 Pony Car. It handles like its on rails and accelerates better than my friends 95 Vette (I kid you not).

Plus the fact that I bought it over 3 months ago and still have the only V6 Pony Package sold in the area, but I see GTs everywhere. Theres 2 red ones, a black one and a yellow one just within about 20 miles of my house. Its nice to be different.

bkbandit · « **Reply #74 on:** May 19, 2006, 02:33:31 AM »

have u guys seen the new zo6 vette. That thing is stupid fast. I saw it on top gear and on another site(check it out streetfire.net, nothin but races). The thing is faster then a lambo, i seen one with an intake and it beat the hell out of the ford gt. It might look like us americans might have somewhat of a supercar.

Treize its a 4 liter, ford should give u the 4.6 for the same price. If the v6 was 3.5 or smaller ok but its 4 liters.

Streetfire.net check it out..........alot of car race videos and news on the upcoming cars. The have alot of stuff about the new camaro.