Author Topic: Why wasn't the UN involved in the decision to attack Afghanistan? (Read 3593 times)

Dago · « **Reply #60 on:** October 22, 2001, 08:49:00 PM »

Nothing beats a good ice cream sandwich.

dago

Maverick · « **Reply #61 on:** October 22, 2001, 11:32:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago:
Nothing beats a good ice cream sandwich.

dago

Except for a nice banana split or a large hot fudge sunday!

Mav

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #62 on:** October 22, 2001, 11:36:00 PM »

Its interesting how some of from cushy western european and north american countries who have never needed and asked for help and support from the world world community find the UN bluehelmets all nice and heroic.

Have any of you, like Thrawn, ever had the incompetant UN try to "peacekeep in your country?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #63 on:** October 22, 2001, 11:38:00 PM »

BTW Thrawn if you are so informed please explain to me what exactly happened to your noble UN bluehelmets in Srebrenica? Do you even know what that refers to?

Bluedog · « **Reply #64 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:23:00 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:

That makes me distrust the UN soldier, I will forever distrust their value and wilingness to sacrifice their lives in defense of others untill I see it.

Plus we all know that when the UN is really serious about somethinbg its always the USA military that actually does the greatest part or at least the most significant/difficult role.

With all due respect to those who disagree, I just dont trust them to do their jobs.

Sorry.

East Timor.

Let me first say that I agree with, and support the US action against the Taliban, as does most of my countrymen, and my government, we have ground troops, Naval ships, and some F18s involved.

I have a few mates that served with the UN peace keepers in east Timor, and to say that they were inefectual, or unwilling to risk their personal safety to garuntee that of others, is, quite frankly, wrong....to say nothing of insulting.
East Timor is now a comparatively 'free' democratic nation, I sincerely doubt that that would be true today were it not for the presence of the boys in blue berets.
Without the Aussies, Kiwis, Philipinos etc, the Indonesian Army would have made sure no democratic vote was possible.
A UN operation led by the Australian Army....led so effectively that the 'boss' Peter Cosgrove, was asked by none other than Colin Powell, to lecture the US forces on how he did it.
And as for the 'always the USA military that actually does the greatest part or at least the most significant/difficult role.' I believe that to be entirely false, in fact I doubt there were more than a handfull of US servicemen anywehere near E.T.

Dont get me wrong, Im not 'US bashing', I'm just saying that there are, have been, and will continue to be, very successful 'peace keeping' missions by the UN, that hardly involve the US at all.
Ask the average East Timorise Christian, who can now go about their daily lives without fear of being massacred while they pray, whether or not UN peace keepers are ineffectual.
Ask the kids who now have schools, playgrounds, running water and hospitals.
What about the mine clearance teams, UN sponsored, Australian and NZ manned, that have been working in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam for the last 20 odd years, cleaning up the mines left there by a war the world wants to forget? Innefectual? I wouldnt say so....someone other than US GIs getting their hands dirty and risking their lives?? your kidding me.

C'mon guys, there is a whole world out there, and just because CNN doesnt cover it all day, doesnt mean it isnt happening.

<S> Blue

once again, this is not a 'US bash', merely pointing out that in some cases, the UN, and troops from nations outside the US, are the only hope some people have for living a 'normal stable life'

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: Bluedog ]

Pongo · « **Reply #65 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:38:00 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Its interesting how some of from cushy western european and north american countries who have never needed and asked for help and support from the world world community find the UN bluehelmets all nice and heroic.

Have any of you, like Thrawn, ever had the incompetant UN try to "peacekeep in your country?

No gh. we try to keep the genocide and racial hatred out of our countries by being reasonable law abiding tollerant people. We generally dont try to blame the people that help us. Typical that you blame the UN for attrocities they only wanted to stop. And that Canadian soldiers died to prevent.

Have you ever tried to Peace Keep yourself?
Projecting your self loathing at your inablility to protect your ethnic group/kill the ethnic group you hate onto the UN that was their to help is pretty pathetic. How many lives did the UN save in the balkans...I guess we will never know. But you evidently like to focus on some that they didnt save. Is your brain half emtpy or half full.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #66 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:09:00 AM »

I didnt blame them for Srebrenica. BTW Im Croatian and Srebrenica was a Bosnian Muslim Town, so its not some thing where I distrust the UN based on racist views like you try to paint me in (shame on you for that). I am angry at the because they did nothing. They did nothing and watched men/boys packed into cattle cars, errr busses, and be driven off never to bee seen again.

As Im sure you dont know this Srebrenica was designated a UN "SAFE AREA" the UN coward bastards actually encouraged refugess to come into this town promising to protect anyone from the serb army. But when the serbs came into the town the UN bluehelmet cowards just stood aside doing nothing. Well not actually nothing, when the UN bluehelmet cowards pissed their pants and began running away in their APCs they ran over women and children who were packed on the roadside.

Explain that you civilized law abiding whatever...

And you know what we in the former Yugoslavia got along just fine ethnically for the most part. As me many of my cousins are serbs, my best friend was a bosnian muslim, some of my neighbors were serbs and we got along fine. In every day life life we got along fine. There was however a bag of old ethnic disputes that were covered up by the communists. This glossing over of real issues by the communists later led to the explosion and is one of the many reasons I hate communism in all its forms.

So dont comment on my country when you dont know anything about it.

Now to your comment about defending your country. Did you know that the UN actually restricted Croatia from taking back 33% of our territory. Yes as late as 1995 33% of Croatia was occupied by serb forces, and there was no UN response to our pleas. In fact they were against us taking our land back. Thankfully in 1995 we, with USA help, joined up with the Bosnians and retook our lands both in Bosnia and Croatia. This combined military, not UN coward bluhelmet action, is what forced Milosevic into negotiations for the famouus Dayton Peace accords, which then ended the war.

The UN bluhelmet cowards are simply glorified rent-a-cops, all they can do is guard food warehouses and sometimes not even that....

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #67 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:14:00 AM »

BTW

Thanks to all Americans and especially any military personell for helping my old country Croatia in 1995. And as an American today I truly love this nation, and hope we win this war in a fine fashion, questinable UN help or no!

batdog · « **Reply #68 on:** October 23, 2001, 06:37:00 AM »

Guys..the PROBLEM w/the UN peace Keepers are not the indiv troops. The Canadians have a damn fine miltary, as do most of the european participants in such actions. The PROBLEM IS THE USELESS LEADERSHIP of the UN. They string the "Peace Keepers" with so many restrictions they are ineffective.

The UN as a force is pretty much a waste. Its a good place to spout rhetoric and to perhaps accomplish some political goals but as a miltary force it typicaly fails dismly over and over...

xBAT

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: batdog ]

Pongo · « **Reply #69 on:** October 23, 2001, 10:20:00 AM »

"Did you know that the UN actually restricted Croatia from taking back 33% of our territory."
If they are such cowards how did they stop you.
One of the things that repeatedly crop up in my talks with buddies that served in the balkans and from memoires is that the peace keepers took too long to learn that the croats were as bad or worse then the serbs.
Looking at your foaming bable is a good testament to that. You seem to respect the butchers that perpetrated the crimes but revile the soldiers that tried to restrict it.
I aggree with you though GH. would have been far better to do nothing an let the animals consume each other. If we cant go in with overwhelming force and totaly occupy the country and solve all its problems then its better to stay out. Not worth it to save and feed thousands if we cant save em all.

Boroda · « **Reply #70 on:** October 23, 2001, 11:51:00 AM »

Grunherz, I am really surprised to hear such things.

Do you really think that Srpska Krajna was "occupied"!?

In this case - I understand why you hate UN so much.

After this - all your anti-UN sententions sound like fairy-tales.

I am really sorry that UN sanctions prevented us from sending some SAMs to Serbia in 1999. But your honorable American "allies" never pay attention to minior issues like UN decisions, and almost openly armed KLA.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #71 on:** October 23, 2001, 11:55:00 AM »

Pongo dont call people in that country animals thats diddlying sick. The war wasnt some caricature of violence and murder you want to see it as. Its really sad that you have to put it that way, really sad.

And to be honest nobody in that conflict was either a good guy or bad guy at all times. Its a fact that the serbs were the agressors in both Bosnia and Croatia. Its also a fact that Croatia tried to be an agressor against Bosnia, which was really sad. But in the end wqe realized it was senseless to fight each other and was best to fight the common agressor.

As for the UN.....

The UN put lots of political pressure on Croatia and Bosnia not to take back our lands.

This ended in July 11 1995. On this day a serb army walked into the UN "SAFE AREA" of Srebrenica and murdered 8,000 men/boys just as the UN bluehelmet cowards let them.
At that point the UN realized they were useless, immediatly asked for USA Military help. The US Air Force started bombing the serbs and helped our Croatian Military plan operation Oluja which took back the land in Croatia, then moved into Bosnia and helped our allies clear their territory as well in a combined action.

Even the UN admitted it was useless in Bosnia...

Anyway Pongo what do your coward bluhelmet friends tell you of srebrenica......

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #72 on:** October 23, 2001, 11:59:00 AM »

Boroda:

First of all Srpska Krajina:

I consider it to be an occupiation by foreign forces because the srbs there wanted to be be a part of sebia. They immediatly kicked out all the croats and muslims in the area. They put up roadblocks and cut rail lines.

Plus Im sure you know that great big parts of Slavonija in northeastern Croatia were occupied up until even after the 1995 developments.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #73 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:01:00 PM »

You wanted to send SAMS to Serbia in 1999 kill American airmen???

diddly YOU amazinhunk

GO DIE BY A CHECHEN TERRORIST BLOWING UP YOUR FILTHY COMMUNIST ERA APARTMENT HOUSE

diddly YOU PIECE OF toejam

Boroda · « **Reply #74 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:11:00 PM »

Thank you, my neo-American firend.

It's much easier to kill helpless innocent people who's only guilt is that their homes are in the wrong place, especially with the help of Big Brother who doesn't give a damn about morale and international laws.

Ok, the truth is finaly revealed: our righteous UN-hater is just another little mean nazi.